Could BJ be next great coach in SEC?

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Based on his recruiting he is on his way. Based on his keeping in touch with former players and coaches he is doing it the right way. If you look at other top SEC coaches, based on his positive attitude and coaching, perhaps.
When Saban was at LSU and Spurrier was at Florida, the Gators beat the Tigers by 32 and 29 points. In their four meetings, Spurrier is 3-1 with a 25-point average margin of victory.

Food for thought.
 
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I am encouraged by the SCAR win and his recruiting success but he has to be able to land a stud at QB to win big. Hope Dormady is the guy.
 
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I think you have to look at the track record, CBJ has coached in small recruiting schools and has been successful. Where as the better player should make it easier to get the in the position to became successful, I really think the SC jr game should have given you all you need. Not only was CBJ ready for the football punt fake, but they was ready for 2 in a row from the ball coach. THAT is a well coached team, players that can implement the game plan. You also have to realize UT was 2 yards from beating UGA, let that sink in that if the ball goes out of bounds instead of into the end zone we score on the next play.


Our new Defense made us play a step slow in 2013, but 2014 will be a bit different.

Mizzu, Burn just spread us out and our talent was exposed, BAMA just hit us in the mouth. Florida switched QB and our D wasn't ready for the spread football with a scrambling QB aka Oregon Ducks
 
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Butch has exceeded my expectations thus far. Time will tell if he's great. He seems good people, so I'm rooting for him.
 
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oregonvol said:
Which still doesn't give us the win.
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We were competitive. That is all that you can ask of a coach in his first year with players in a different system...AGAIN. By the way most of your post read, you will not be happy until he goes undefeated, but you will still probably find a way to ***** and moan about that as well.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
We were competitive. That is all that you can ask of a coach in his first year with players in a different system...AGAIN. By the way most of your post read, you will not be happy until he goes undefeated, but you will still probably find a way to ***** and moan about that as well.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I said. It's not you putting words in my mouth in an attempt to argue against plain, simple facts or anything like that.
 
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He has to prove it on the field. If he does not make a bowl game this year he will loose his mojo. He screwed up an opportunity to make a bowl game last year and that may come back to haunt him.

He gets an A+ in recruiting and selling the program but we are still waiting for player development and game day coaching. So far he has an incomplete there.
 
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onevol74 said:
He has to prove it on the field. If he does not make a bowl game this year he will loose his mojo. He screwed up an opportunity to make a bowl game last year and that may come back to haunt him.

He gets an A+ in recruiting and selling the program but we are still waiting for player development and game day coaching. So far he has an incomplete there.
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Agree. Just gotta doubt CBJ's coaching ability if he couldn't develop the inferior talent, and win the east, in his first year with the dumpster fire he inherited.:crazy:
Hells bells, people!!:banghead2:
 
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The legacy class was great but the class he's building now will not be ranked that high unless he adds some big time players with his last few spots. A normal sized class that avg's 3.27 stars is going to land UT somewhere around 20th.

Without knowing what attrition is going to be, that would mean his recruiting isn't out of line with Dooley's for his first 3 classes on average.

The jury is still out on his ability to coach at this level of competition... and on his recruiting more so than most seem to realize.
 
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sjt18 said:
The legacy class was great but the class he's building now will not be ranked that high unless he adds some big time players with his last few spots. A normal sized class that avg's 3.27 stars is going to land UT somewhere around 20th.
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Same thing was said last year until a bunch of our 2 & 3 star commits got bumped (extra star) when recruiting sites updated their rankings
 
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oldfartvol said:


Agree. Just gotta doubt CBJ's coaching ability if he couldn't develop the inferior talent, and win the east, in his first year with the dumpster fire he inherited.:crazy:
Hells bells, people!!:banghead2:
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Hyperbole is where people go when they can't actually answer an argument. In essence... you've admitted you are wrong.

No one... NO ONE said anything about winning the East. But yes, he should have beaten Vandy to make a bowl game. NO he should not have been blown off the field by Mizzou. YES he could have beaten UF had he not chosen to start Peterman.
 
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sjt18 said:
The legacy class was great but the class he's building now will not be ranked that high unless he adds some big time players with his last few spots. A normal sized class that avg's 3.27 stars is going to land UT somewhere around 20th.

Without knowing what attrition is going to be, that would mean his recruiting isn't out of line with Dooley's for his first 3 classes on average.

The jury is still out on his ability to coach at this level of competition... and on his recruiting more so than most seem to realize.
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We already know the attrition on the front end so your argument doesn't hold up.

Butch hasn't had any issues getting players enrolled.

Dooley had Dave Clark, John Brown, Eddrick Loften (twice), Marcques Dixon

Not to mention Pat Martin (4 star) who quit before school started.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Same thing was said last year until a bunch of our 2 & 3 star commits got bumped (extra star) when recruiting sites updated their rankings
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I hope that happens because I certainly think Rivals is off on Dormady and perhaps others. To some extent I think you can discount the low rating of a kid like Picou. Seldom will a 260 lb DT get a high ranking but they often become good players once they add bulk.

Nonetheless, UT isn't on course right now to rank in the top 10 much less the top 5.

If recruiting rankings mean anything, and they do, then it may not be the class Jones thinks nor one consistent with the accolades being bounced around now.
 
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sjt18 said:
Hyperbole is where people go when they can't actually answer an argument. In essence... you've admitted you are wrong.

No one... NO ONE said anything about winning the East. But yes, he should have beaten Vandy to make a bowl game. NO he should not have been blown off the field by Mizzou. YES he could have beaten UF had he not chosen to start Peterman.
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You fail to give Mizzou any credit. They were a very decent team in a down SEC East last year. Now if he would've started Worley against UF and we lost, people would complain because he didn't start Peterman. It was a roll of the dice with that call. No one knew Peterman was going to lay an egg that game. It really is all a moot point anyway because we were down to one true freshman QB at the end of the year with a banged up team with little to no depth and questionable talent. Only one defensive player was drafted, and he was drafted more because of his size rather than his ability.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
You fail to give Mizzou any credit. They were a very decent team in a down SEC East last year. Now if he would've started Worley against UF and we lost, people would complain because he didn't start Peterman. It was a roll of the dice with that call. No one knew Peterman was going to lay an egg that game. It really is all a moot point anyway because we were down to one true freshman QB at the end of the year with a banged up team with little to no depth and questionable talent. Only one defensive player was drafted, and he was drafted more because of his size rather than his ability.
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Very decent team that won 12 games and the SEC east
 
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ajvol01 said:
We already know the attrition on the front end so your argument doesn't hold up.
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No we don't. None of us have any idea who or how many of Jones' recruits will make it.

Consider Carr. When he was being recruited, you would have found FAR more here predicting that he would be a starter and a stud by now than predicting he would be gone because he couldn't cut it. Great athlete with ideal size and great success in HS. He was one of Jones' prized recruits in the '13 class.

Butch hasn't had any issues getting players enrolled.
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That doesn't mean they'll stay in the program or become contributors.

Dooley had Dave Clark, John Brown, Eddrick Loften (twice), Marcques Dixon

Not to mention Pat Martin (4 star) who quit before school started.
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And over time you'll see some attrition among Jones' recruits too. It may happen early or late. It may happen before they sign or after. But how much attrition he has and who... will matter.
 
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