Why aren't players wearing helmets with padding on the outside?

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BenGrimm said:
Because it looks stupid.

they are required to wear them in practice. I think they are allowed to wear them in games but it’s players choice.
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Agreed they do stupid! I'd bet in time it will be mandatory in games as soon as they find a way to put Pilot/Food City or any other logo's on them. Heck, let's just put them all in bomb detonation or even Hulk buster suits...... Tragic!

Leather helmets rule :cool:

GBO
 
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I have three theories. One as person above says aesthetics. Guys don't like the way it looks. Secondly I think some guys defenders while try or should anyways avoid targeting like using helmet as a weapon when lowering head and they don't want to cushion the blow for the opponent. Thirdly to avoid the "SOFT" talk on the field. Can you imagine a player with the fire that Boo Carter does jawing with an opponent.

None of that makes it right. Just theories on my behalf.
 
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In the NFL this year...

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Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive tackle Luke Goedeke (67) wears a Guardian Cap against Baltimore Ravens, Monday, Oct. 21, 2024, in Tampa. Goedeke says he suffered a concussion earlier in the season and was not able to play for several weeks. He returned to the lineup a week earlier against the New Orleans Saints wearing the protective ca
 
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Guardian caps. Not sure. The only people that complain about them are the people not taking on 6-foot-5 280lb monster that runs a 4.5 hitting you.
I was just watching something a few weeks ago about how much they are improving so people get over the look and the safety can be valued. Soon it will be common IMO but it will not look like we see today.
 
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fossilfiction said:
Guardian caps. Not sure. The only people that complain about them are the people not taking on 6-foot-5 280lb monster that runs a 4.5 hitting you.
I was just watching something a few weeks ago about how much they are improving so people get over the look and the safety can be valued. Soon it will be common IMO but it will not look like we see today.
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I expect a thinner version that will provide similar protection. Better material.
 
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The way I understand it, it’s the movement of the brain against the inside of the skull (due to a sudden stop/start) that causes brain injury. How does extra padding on the outside help to prevent any of that? Honest question. I’m not a neurologist, and I only played football through high school. Had plenty of headaches from impacts, but I don’t think that extra exterior padding would preclude the brain from freely moving within. In my opinion, the guardian caps are just to make the spectator feel better, and they actually do nothing.
 
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Softer helmets would create more friction and instead of minor concussions, we would have people breaking their necks as helmets snag other equipment and twist the players head violently.

A bruised brain is preferred to a broken spine.
 
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Orangepantsforever said:
The way I understand it, it’s the movement of the brain against the inside of the skull (due to a sudden stop/start) that causes brain injury. How does extra padding on the outside help to prevent any of that? Honest question. I’m not a neurologist, and I only played football through high school. Had plenty of headaches from impacts, but I don’t think that extra exterior padding would preclude the brain from freely moving within. In my opinion, the guardian caps are just to make the spectator feel better, and they actually do nothing.
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Physics apply.
Physics say that an outer “soft” material of the proper density, stiffness and energy absorbing properties reduces the initial severity of the impact. The hard shell then has lower forces transmitted to it, and in turn conveys lower forces to the interior soft helmet padding and then lower forces to the head. Very similar to a NASCAR driver and the soft wall technology that tracks have adopted or even automobiles and the soft bumpers and airbags that are now required. The Guardian Cap serves the same purpose for an athlete’s head—a soft shell barrier between it and impact.
 
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Orangepantsforever said:
The way I understand it, it’s the movement of the brain against the inside of the skull (due to a sudden stop/start) that causes brain injury. How does extra padding on the outside help to prevent any of that? Honest question. I’m not a neurologist, and I only played football through high school. Had plenty of headaches from impacts, but I don’t think that extra exterior padding would preclude the brain from freely moving within. In my opinion, the guardian caps are just to make the spectator feel better, and they actually do nothing.
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I'm not even a MD so---
From U of Cal, Davis
A concussion is a mild injury to the brain that disrupts how the brain normally works. Usually, it's caused by a sudden blow or impact to the head. You do not have to be knocked out or lose consciousness to have a concussion.

Cleveland Clinic:
A concussion is a head injury that happens when your brain moves or twists inside your skull. Concussions are a type of traumatic brain injury. They’re some of the most common (and most commonly misunderstood) injuries that people experience.

Hopefully, this is being looked at by the right people(experts).
 
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If guys don't like the way it looks, create the same thing to go under the helmet.....
I am not a medical professional nor an engineer but it seems making the helmet bigger to accommodate the guardian cap inside it would work.
 
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Orangepantsforever said:
The way I understand it, it’s the movement of the brain against the inside of the skull (due to a sudden stop/start) that causes brain injury. How does extra padding on the outside help to prevent any of that? Honest question. I’m not a neurologist, and I only played football through high school. Had plenty of headaches from impacts, but I don’t think that extra exterior padding would preclude the brain from freely moving within. In my opinion, the guardian caps are just to make the spectator feel better, and they actually do nothing.
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100%!!! People will believe anything. It’s not like the same theory as the “safer barrier” in NASCAR. The improvements in design needs to be on the inside.
 
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Orangepantsforever said:
The way I understand it, it’s the movement of the brain against the inside of the skull (due to a sudden stop/start) that causes brain injury. How does extra padding on the outside help to prevent any of that? Honest question. I’m not a neurologist, and I only played football through high school. Had plenty of headaches from impacts, but I don’t think that extra exterior padding would preclude the brain from freely moving within. In my opinion, the guardian caps are just to make the spectator feel better, and they actually do nothing.
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To keep the force from getting transferred to the head, you can slow down the impact with padding and deflect the force of the collision into the helmet and away from the head.

Unfortunately helmets are way more effective at reducing serious TBI than they are at reducing concussions in general. As you pointed out the brain is still going to move inside of the skull unless all of the force is diverted.

qbi.uq.edu.au

Do helmets protect against concussion?

What role, if any, do helmets play in protecting against concussion and other head injury?
qbi.uq.edu.au qbi.uq.edu.au

(Link from Australia, so they're thinking mostly in context of bicycles)
 
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Orangepantsforever said:
The way I understand it, it’s the movement of the brain against the inside of the skull (due to a sudden stop/start) that causes brain injury. How does extra padding on the outside help to prevent any of that? Honest question. I’m not a neurologist, and I only played football through high school. Had plenty of headaches from impacts, but I don’t think that extra exterior padding would preclude the brain from freely moving within. In my opinion, the guardian caps are just to make the spectator feel better, and they actually do nothing.
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Anyone remember the old suspension helmets? No protection at all. It’s amazing some of us are still alive.
 
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