Losing the game's integrity: fudging the rules to allow 4 pivot feet?

[BruisedOrange]

Rules are for the good of any game. The evolution of basketball as a spectator sport has always been in the direction of speeding up the pace of the game and allowing more movement. More action is good!

To allow defense to evolve with those changes, the rules for guarding and fouling have been gradually adjusted to allow for more "judgement calls" -- like when bigs are bumping and leaning to establish (or defend) position. Allowable contact.

But some rules just have to be called by the letter, otherwise, the whole concept of good defensive position would disappear. What would happen to defense if offensive players could double- or triple-dribble? That's like, what would chess be if pawns could move 3 spaces? ...or 1.5 spaces?

This is not a complaint about a specific non-call in the Montana game. It's just a good example of a trend that is getting worse in both the men's and women's games. Beyond negating good defense, I'm contending it threatens the integrity and the watch-ability of the game.
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I saw this remarkable offensive play by Montana's outstanding player, Money Williams (0), against Gainey's usually sound defense. So I watched it again, just to appreciate how Money did it. Well... he did it by using 4 pivot feet after he picked up his dribble!

Add one more European step to that, and you're in Olympic track & field event territory!

[The green circle follows his right foot through the sequence.]

What happens to the integrity of the game itself when the rules are fudged to this extent?

 

[Dadof2Vols]

It’s a movement to NBA LACK of rules that I don’t watch anymore for this reason and why I watch very little Mens NCAAB other than UT…..

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Also why Nascar is losing viewership because same people win and rules are different for different teams….

 

[Golfprovol]

Rules are for the good of any game. The evolution of basketball as a spectator sport has always been in the direction of speeding up the pace of the game and allowing more movement. More action is good!

To allow defense to evolve with those changes, the rules for guarding and fouling have been gradually adjusted to allow for more "judgement calls" -- like when bigs are bumping and leaning to establish (or defend) position. Allowable contact.

But some rules just have to be called by the letter, otherwise, the whole concept of good defensive position would disappear. What would happen to defense if offensive players could double- or triple-dribble? That's like, what would chess be if pawns could move 3 spaces? ...or 1.5 spaces?

This is not a complaint about a specific non-call in the Montana game. It's just a good example of a trend that is getting worse in both the men's and women's games. Beyond negating good defense, I'm contending it threatens the integrity and the watch-ability of the game.
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I saw this remarkable offensive play by Montana's outstanding player, Money Williams (0), against Gainey's usually sound defense. So I watched it again, just to appreciate how Money did it. Well... he did it by using 4 pivot feet after he picked up his dribble!

Add one more European step to that, and you're in Olympic track & field event territory!

[The green circle follows his right foot through the sequence.]
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What happens to the integrity of the game itself when the rules are fudged to this extent?

Guys have been doing that move for years, suppose to jump off both feet but they usually dont....rarely gets called if ever.

 

[cardvolfan]

Rules are for the good of any game. The evolution of basketball as a spectator sport has always been in the direction of speeding up the pace of the game and allowing more movement. More action is good!

To allow defense to evolve with those changes, the rules for guarding and fouling have been gradually adjusted to allow for more "judgement calls" -- like when bigs are bumping and leaning to establish (or defend) position. Allowable contact.

But some rules just have to be called by the letter, otherwise, the whole concept of good defensive position would disappear. What would happen to defense if offensive players could double- or triple-dribble? That's like, what would chess be if pawns could move 3 spaces? ...or 1.5 spaces?

This is not a complaint about a specific non-call in the Montana game. It's just a good example of a trend that is getting worse in both the men's and women's games. Beyond negating good defense, I'm contending it threatens the integrity and the watch-ability of the game.
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I saw this remarkable offensive play by Montana's outstanding player, Money Williams (0), against Gainey's usually sound defense. So I watched it again, just to appreciate how Money did it. Well... he did it by using 4 pivot feet after he picked up his dribble!

Add one more European step to that, and you're in Olympic track & field event territory!

[The green circle follows his right foot through the sequence.]
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What happens to the integrity of the game itself when the rules are fudged to this extent?

Good stuff. My take on these non-calls is that if it looks too remarkably good it probably is.

 

[BruisedOrange]

Guys have been doing that move for years, suppose to jump off both feet but they usually dont....rarely gets called if ever.

But... three times in the same dribble-free move to a scoring basket???

 

[BruisedOrange]

My fantasy movie would be for a good, modern high school basketball player to suddenly find himself back in 1964 with all his incredible basketball skills, and going out for the team.

Almost nothing in his arsenal of moves, even basics like dribbling, would get past a 1960's referee's whistle.

(Of course, in my movie, he adjusts to the 1960 rules and learns to find success on the court in hustle, natural ability, and character-related aspects of the game.)

 

[VolGee4]

Guys have been doing that move for years, suppose to jump off both feet but they usually dont....rarely gets called if ever.

I went back and watched the highlight, and it was somewhat subtle. But officials college level or higher are trained to see it. He actually re-positioned his pivot foot before his jump. Clear violation. It is definitely a move that the NBA allows a bunch.