Can someone explain to me why Texas A&M would have the tie breaker if they beat Texas?

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Assume A&M beats Tex, while Vols beat Vandy. It doesn't affect the SEC standings, but also assume UGa beats Ga Tech to finish their season. Then:

Texas -- 6-2 SEC, 10-2 overall
UGa -- 6-2 SEC, 10-2 overall
Vols -- 6-2 SEC, 10-2 overall
A&M -- 6-2 SEC, ,9-3 overall

A four-way tie.

Tie-breaker #1: head-to-head competition among tied teams:

Texas 0-2 -- lost to A&M and UGa; didn't play Vols
UGa 2-0 -- beat Tex and Vols; didn't play A&M
Vols 0-1 -- lost to UGa; didn't play the other two
A&M 1-0 -- beat Tex, didn't play the other two

UGa, at 2-0, is in. A&M, at 1-0, is also in. Vols and Tex are out.

I'm not positive tie-breaker #1 works exactly like that, but think so. And that's why the winner of A&M vs Tex is in the SEC CG. Either way, the winner's SEC record among those four teams will end up better than both the Vols and the loser of that match.

Go Vols!
 
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volsfan199 said:
They'd have 3 overall losses and ranked under us.
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but only 2 SEC Ls

Current standings

1. Texas (6 - 1)

2. Georgia (6 - 2)

3. Texas A&M (5 - 2)

Above Tennessee based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).

4. Tennessee (5 - 2)

Below Texas A&M based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (2-1).

5. S Carolina (5 - 3)

6. Alabama (4 - 3)

With LSU and Ole Miss, above Missouri based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (1-0).

Above LSU and Ole Miss based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5686).

 
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Here is the list of tie breakers on the SEC website:
www.secsports.com

SEC Football Tie-Breaking Process - Southeastern Conference

Comprehensive coverage of SEC football, basketball, baseball and more, including live games, scores, schedules, standings and news
www.secsports.com www.secsports.com

Assuming TN, GA, TX and A&M all end up at 6-2, I think the tie breaker goes all the way down to "D. Cumulative Conference winning percentage of all Conference opponents among the tied teams." since:
A. Head to head - there is not a true round robin between all the tied teams.
B. Record vs. all common opponents - all 4 have the same record against common opponents.
C. Record against the common opponent with the best conference record - all 4 have the same record against common opponents.
D. Ranking all opponents' records in conference, it looks like the order is A&M, GA, TN, TX.

I put the numbers into a spreadsheet and that is what I came up with. Who knows if it is right, but it aligns with what the networks are saying.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Assume A&M beats Tex, while Vols beat Vandy. It doesn't affect the SEC standings, but also assume UGa beats Ga Tech to finish their season. Then:

Texas -- 6-2 SEC, 10-2 overall
UGa -- 6-2 SEC, 10-2 overall
Vols -- 6-2 SEC, 10-2 overall
A&M -- 6-2 SEC, ,9-3 overall

A four-way tie.

Tie-breaker #1: head-to-head competition among tied teams:

Texas 0-2 -- lost to A&M and UGa; didn't play Vols
UGa 2-0 -- beat Tex and Vols; didn't play A&M
Vols 0-1 -- lost to UGa; didn't play the other two
A&M 1-0 -- beat Tex, didn't play the other two

UGa, at 2-0, is in. A&M, at 1-0, is also in. Vols and Tex are out.

I'm not positive tie-breaker #1 works exactly like that, but think so. And that's why the winner of A&M vs Tex is in the SEC CG. Either way, the winner's SEC record among those four teams will end up better than both the Vols and the loser of that match.

Go Vols!
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Thank you
 
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If A&M beats Texas and Georgia, will they secure that championship spot with the bye week even with 3 overall losses? Especially since they were already ranked #15 and lost to Auburn? If that happens, would we still be behind the other two and possibly get left out if the committee only takes 3 SEC teams? Or would we be in no matter what because we should be ranked in the top 10 (dependent on beating Vandy)?

Or would TX and GA losing move us past them in the playoff rankings and secure a spot? Sorry for all the questions. Trying to understand this moving puzzle.
 
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I don't think there is anything in writing about the loser of a conference championship game, but the SEC commissioner has told the committee that being in that game should be a reward. I would expect that the committee keeps the teams in the ranking before the championship weekend and just reorders the playoff bracket. Who knows...
 
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volsfan199 said:
They'd have 3 overall losses and ranked under us.
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(1) CFP rankings do nothing in determining tiebreakers. The SEC stopped using rankings in tiebreakers in 2014.

(2) Overall losses don’t factor into conference standings, only the results of conference games (one of A&M’s 3 losses is to Notre Dame, an out of conference team; A&M only has 2 in-conference losses)

(3) Texas A&M beating Texas and Tennessee beating Vanderbilt would create a 4-team tie between A&M, Georgia, Texas, and Tennessee.

Since the 4 teams didn’t all play each other and all 4 had the same record against their common opponents (Florida and Mississippi State, which all four teams beat), it would go to A&M would win the 4-team tiebreaker based on conference opponents’ conference win percentage (A&M’s would be 0.4688, UGA’s would be .4531, Texas’s .3906, and Tennessee’s 0.3750).

With A&M separated into the conference’s top spot, it would then become a 3-team tie between Georgia, Texas, and Tennessee…while they didn’t all play each other (Tennessee didn’t play Texas), Georgia beat both and would win the tiebreaker.

(Tennessee would actually then end up in 4th place behind Texas in the end due to the record against common opponents tiebreaker…both played Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Arkansas, and Oklahoma: Texas went 6-1 vs these teams, Tennessee went 5-2 vs these teams.)
 
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TheOrange&White said:
If A&M beats Texas and Georgia, will they secure that championship spot with the bye week even with 3 overall losses? Especially since they were already ranked #15 and lost to Auburn? If that happens, would we still be behind the other two and possibly get left out if the committee only takes 3 SEC teams? Or would we be in no matter what because we should be ranked in the top 10 (dependent on beating Vandy)?

Or would TX and GA losing move us past them in the playoff rankings and secure a spot? Sorry for all the questions. Trying to understand this moving puzzle.
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Yes. Doesn't matter. No a 3 L Georgia doesn't get in. W over 🍬 and we're in. An L by Georgia in SECCG and they're likely out or 1st out in CFP.
 
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An SEC title would be sweet and the difference between going to South Bend or Athens but when your barely on that cut off line of in and out, I'm happy to take the Penn State parkway of getting to the playoffs 🤣
 
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iluvcooter said:
I don't think there is anything in writing about the loser of a conference championship game, but the SEC commissioner has told the committee that being in that game should be a reward. I would expect that the committee keeps the teams in the ranking before the championship weekend and just reorders the playoff bracket. Who knows...
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If that is how it works - then each of the top 5 conferences would automatically get 2 teams - that is 10, the ND makes 11. So only 1 slot left. Not how it works.

The rules were reworked for NO special treatment for ANY conference.
 
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