I'm not sure NIL is the real villain here

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I think it's the transfer portal. Hear me out:

Contracts have been "negotiated" and "renegotiated" for college players of major programs forever now. I mean Saban, and then Kirby, literally built an empire on it, it was just under the table and the once-governing body (no longer) turned a blind eye as long as the teams were winning and generating revenue.

The reason it wasn't so out of control is because there was a major consequence to leaving: you had to sit a year. This made the ship jumping process much riskier because you could leave, sit, then lose your place in line. You were almost better off just holding your spot on your current roster and working your way up.

Obviously the transfer portal + NIL is the ultimate equation to this disaster, but I believe if the transfer portal was abolished and we went back to sitting a year when you transfer, this would all cool back down to at least reasonable levels.

 

[TENNESSEESLIM]

If I’m not mistaken, the courts have already ruled players can transfer without penalty. It’s not up the schools/NCAA

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If I’m not mistaken, the courts have already ruled players can transfer without penalty. It’s not up the schools/NCAA

That is correct. A Federal Judge ruled the NCAA couldn't punish a transfer by making them sit out regardless of how many times they transfer.

And guess who joined in as a party to the lawsuit against the NCAA? The Attorney General of The State of Tennessee.

Basically, UT (no doubt consulted by the AG) supports this chaos.

 

[Voltopia]

The portal is the engine, but everything is contributing to this run down cargo van of misery. NIL, transfer portal, the Supreme Court, the sports media, the schools.

I don't know what people expected when they pushed for this sort of free wheeling open air mercenary merry go-round.

And hell, even if UT can bring guys in next year, anyone they bring is a rental. Everything is a rental now. Not literally everything, but you know what I mean.

"Vol For Life?" More like "Vol For Now."

 

[loservol]

That is correct. A Federal Judge ruled the NCAA couldn't punish a transfer by making them sit out regardless of how many times they transfer.

And guess who joined in as a party to the lawsuit against the NCAA? The Attorney General of The State of Tennessee.

Basically, UT (no doubt consulted by the AG) supports this chaos.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" -W. Kelly

 

[WhenUrVolUrVFL]

Well, we had a good run. It’s gonna be all about mercenary classes and getting lucky.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Well, we had a good run. It’s gonna be all about mercenary classes and getting lucky.

Yeah it’s all over. Might as well burn the program down

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

I think it's the transfer portal. Hear me out:

Contracts have been "negotiated" and "renegotiated" for college players of major programs forever now. I mean Saban, and then Kirby, literally built an empire on it, it was just under the table and the once-governing body (no longer) turned a blind eye as long as the teams were winning and generating revenue.

The reason it wasn't so out of control is because there was a major consequence to leaving: you had to sit a year. This made the ship jumping process much riskier because you could leave, sit, then lose your place in line. You were almost better off just holding your spot on your current roster and working your way up.

Obviously the transfer portal + NIL is the ultimate equation to this disaster, but I believe if the transfer portal was abolished and we went back to sitting a year when you transfer, this would all cool back down to at least reasonable levels.

Agreed. If you had one transfer opportunity you’d have less movement. Then both players and teams would be more discerning. Now, you often see players play with 3-4 schools.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

I think it's the transfer portal. Hear me out:

Contracts have been "negotiated" and "renegotiated" for college players of major programs forever now. I mean Saban, and then Kirby, literally built an empire on it, it was just under the table and the once-governing body (no longer) turned a blind eye as long as the teams were winning and generating revenue.

The reason it wasn't so out of control is because there was a major consequence to leaving: you had to sit a year. This made the ship jumping process much riskier because you could leave, sit, then lose your place in line. You were almost better off just holding your spot on your current roster and working your way up.

Obviously the transfer portal + NIL is the ultimate equation to this disaster, but I believe if the transfer portal was abolished and we went back to sitting a year when you transfer, this would all cool back down to at least reasonable levels.

You make a good point here but I don't see the portal getting abolished. The better chance is to put a rule in that you can't transfer for 2 yrs after you have done it. However, even that would probably get challenged and defeated in court. Congress issuing some rules may be the best solution. Some controls over this whole mess has to be put in.

 

[UTFanForLife]

They can bring in a whole new roster each year as long as we are good. If that is what it takes, so be it.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

They can bring in a whole new roster each year as long as we are good. If that is what it takes, so be it.

Football may go the direction BB has been doing for yrs on a smaller scale. Bring in several 'one and done's' every year and win what you can. Hate to see that happen in FB but all this will shake out in some direction eventually.

 

[Delmar]

Why is it that we keep getting people posting threads about limiting NIL and abolishing the transfer portal when there has been info published in a hundred threads that explain why neither can be done under the current rulings from the Supreme Court? It’s just baffling why folks can’t seem to read and comprehend words. It’s going to take some other mechanism that will pass legal muster. What that is I have no clue.

 

[Delmar]

Football may go the direction BB has been doing for yrs on a smaller scale. Bring in several 'one and done's' every year and win what you can. Hate to see that happen in FB but all this will shake out in some direction eventually.

To my knowledge nobody has been successful with a team full of one and dones or transfers in basketball. Calipari has tried the rent a team for a year approach forever and won exactly one NC with all the talent he had. Memphis has tried the all transfer team route for several years now and it has been an abject failure.

I like what Barnes has done by building a culture with his players and filling gaps with a couple of transfers every year. Football is a different deal though with 85 players to manage.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

To my knowledge nobody has been successful with a team full of one and dones or transfers in basketball. Calipari has tried the rent a team for a year approach forever and won exactly one NC with all the talent he had.Memphis has tried the all transfer team route for several years now and it has been an abject failure.

I like what Barnes has done by building a culture with his players and filling gaps with a couple of transfers every year. Football is a different deal though with 85 players to manage.

Not sure if that is the best example. Calipari's winning percentage is 76.9%. In 15 seasons at KY, won 6 SEC regular-season championships, 6 SEC Tournament championships, and a National championship. Will GLADLY take that kind of success from Huepel if he stays 15 years!

 

[barney]

I think it's the transfer portal. Hear me out:

Contracts have been "negotiated" and "renegotiated" for college players of major programs forever now. I mean Saban, and then Kirby, literally built an empire on it, it was just under the table and the once-governing body (no longer) turned a blind eye as long as the teams were winning and generating revenue.

The reason it wasn't so out of control is because there was a major consequence to leaving: you had to sit a year. This made the ship jumping process much riskier because you could leave, sit, then lose your place in line. You were almost better off just holding your spot on your current roster and working your way up.

Obviously the transfer portal + NIL is the ultimate equation to this disaster, but I believe if the transfer portal was abolished and we went back to sitting a year when you transfer, this would all cool back down to at least reasonable levels.

You can't go back to the old rules because the courts have ruled that it's an antitrust violation. The only fix to this is an employee relationship with a contract for a fixed term between the athletic program and the player.

 

[Delmar]

Not sure if that is the best example. Calipari's winning percentage is 76.9%. In 15 seasons at KY, won 6 SEC regular-season championships, 6 SEC Tournament championships, and a National championship. Will GLADLY take that kind of success from Huepel if he stays 15 years!

Maybe so. But Cal should have won more NC’s with the talent he had. I also doubt that any football coach can use that same strategy for a football team. Can’t pay that many mercenaries to affect the numbers needed.

 

[barknoxbrawler]

That is correct. A Federal Judge ruled the NCAA couldn't punish a transfer by making them sit out regardless of how many times they transfer.

And guess who joined in as a party to the lawsuit against the NCAA? The Attorney General of The State of Tennessee.

Basically, UT (no doubt consulted by the AG) supports this chaos.

I don’t think originally they knew it would turn into this. No one did. But you would think someone should have thought for further out to come to the conclusion that it was going to be the wild West.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Why is it that we keep getting people posting threads about limiting NIL and abolishing the transfer portal when there has been info published in a hundred threads that explain why neither can be done under the current rulings from the Supreme Court? It’s just baffling why folks can’t seem to read and comprehend words. It’s going to take some other mechanism that will pass legal muster. What that is I have no clue.

I can't comprehend reading. I don't even know what this says.

 

[NEWDAYVOL]

Is it possible to keep everything the same and just cap a player's NIL to 250k per year (or less). I think this would discourage good (game changing type) players/starters going into the transfer portal to the highest bidder if they are already maxed out. You'd see some loyalty come back as great players will be looking at the best fit/program rather than who can write the biggest check. I think this still allows for (and maybe increases) parity in college football which is a great thing. I will say this has been one of the best/most entertaining college football seasons of my lifetime but we (obviously) do need to reign this in in some way.

 

[volfan102455]

The issue is the definitely the transfer portal. And most who enter it, don't find themselves in a better situation.

To me, let them transfer at will - that does NOT imply the following:

- Another school does not have to take them and place them on scholarship.
- Another school does not imply immediate playing time.
- Another school does not imply that all of a sudden there are the best player ever.
- And if they can't find a home, the transfer from school can say "sorry your place is gone".

The problem is that coaches are too focused on the transfer portal and not on finding and growing the talent they found during the traditional recruiting process.

I get a player that has decided they are not a good fit. I get a situation where both the player and coach have concluded a player is not a good fit. But some players, quite honestly, just give up and leave because they are not catered to and somehow feel that the new school will cater to them.

Granted there have been some high-profile transfers at the QB position over the years due to a team having multiple really good QBs. I get that but most of the players entering the portal are NOT that type of player.

 

[The Original Fade]

Believe it or not the portal is damaging college baseball worse than football. Talented high school baseball players are getting absolutely hosed right now because of the portal and new roster limits. Trust me, my kid is about to go through this

 

[volfan102455]

You can't go back to the old rules because the courts have ruled that it's an antitrust violation. The only fix to this is an employee relationship with a contract for a fixed term between the athletic program and the player.

Anti-Trust laws were not created for this situation. There were created to protect and promote competition within an industry between two or more businesses and guard against monopolies.

 

[volfan102455]

Believe it or not the portal is damaging college baseball worse than football. Talented high school baseball players are getting absolutely hosed right now because of the portal and new roster limits. Trust me, my kid is about to go through this

This is the sad part - all colleges are looking for quick fixes via the transfer portal - talented high school players are left on the outside. Really sad.

 

[Orangepantsforever]

That is correct. A Federal Judge ruled the NCAA couldn't punish a transfer by making them sit out regardless of how many times they transfer.

And guess who joined in as a party to the lawsuit against the NCAA? The Attorney General of The State of Tennessee.

Basically, UT (no doubt consulted by the AG) supports this chaos.

UT is getting to sleep in the bed that they help make.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don’t think originally they knew it would turn into this. No one did. But you would think someone should have thought for further out to come to the conclusion that it was going to be the wild West.

Of course they knew this would happen. The larger, more moneyed schools are having success in this wild west.

Tennessee has been quite successful in the portal and schools like Oregon, Ohio State, and Michigan simply buy the players they want without any problem.

I believe I heard Milroe will be at Oregon next year.

The NIL ready schools, like UT, don't mind this whether the fans hate it or not.