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These were posted in another thread. After watching them and focusing on the WR's, I came to realize how cerebral our QB & WR's need to be in order manipulate the defense and go at warp speed.

Watch and just pay attention to the decisions the WR's have to make. The first one shows how simple.the routes this year became, which again leads me to believe our WR's this year could not process the info quick enough

Maybe our current crop of WR's could not do it that fast.....just a thought


 
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Zachariah Branch is no longer on the USC Trojans football team. He entered the transfer portal along with his brother Zion, who plays safety for the Trojans. The brothers are expected to commit to the same program for 2025.

We are going after him hard he has a younger brother too that could figure in the equation.
 
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Golfprovol said:
These were posted in another thread. After watching them and focusing on the WR's, I came to realize how cerebral our QB & WR's need to be in order manipulate the defense and go at warp speed.

Watch and just pay attention to the decisions the WR's have to make. The first one shows how simple.the routes this year became, which again leads me to believe our WR's this year could not process the info quick enough

Maybe our current crop of WR's could not do it that fast.....just a thought




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What would you consider a complex route vs a simple one and how can you tell on film that has changed
 
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I’ll watch later, but I already agree. Hopefully people who don’t know what you’re talking about can understand through the videos.

We need guys who can play football and not need 100% unpredictable play calling to completely confuse the defense to keep the ball moving.
 
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KTrain said:
Zachariah Branch is no longer on the USC Trojans football team. He entered the transfer portal along with his brother Zion, who plays safety for the Trojans. The brothers are expected to commit to the same program for 2025.

We are going after him hard he has a younger brother too that could figure in the equation.
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Us versus UGA in that one. I think we land both them.
 
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Golfprovol said:
These were posted in another thread. After watching them and focusing on the WR's, I came to realize how cerebral our QB & WR's need to be in order manipulate the defense and go at warp speed.

Watch and just pay attention to the decisions the WR's have to make. The first one shows how simple.the routes this year became, which again leads me to believe our WR's this year could not process the info quick enough

Maybe our current crop of WR's could not do it that fast.....just a thought




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It takes 2 years to fully grasp the system, which is why HH and the wr took off in their 2nd year together. Nico and the returning wr will take off next year.
 
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Golfprovol said:
These were posted in another thread. After watching them and focusing on the WR's, I came to realize how cerebral our QB & WR's need to be in order manipulate the defense and go at warp speed.

Watch and just pay attention to the decisions the WR's have to make. The first one shows how simple.the routes this year became, which again leads me to believe our WR's this year could not process the info quick enough

Maybe our current crop of WR's could not do it that fast.....just a thought




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It really isn’t that difficult, when we play at warp speed as we did with Hooker it does not give the defense time to think and it makes the offense a lot more like playing backyard football. Easier for the OL, easier for QB and easier for the WR! Watch Hooker in both his years and it was a lot of one read and make the throw, because the defense was off kilter and not making their reads quick enough, so first WR running wide open on a simple route and the throw is made. Not sure why we went away from it because it simplified the playbook. It’s why Hooker went from an OK QB who Va Tech didn’t care about losing to a Heisman type player before his injury. We also saw it work when we did it for about 5-6 plays against OSU before Bishop got hurt and never did it again. I watched this video and breakdown, but it’s really simple, run fast pace and it helps the offense and confuses the defense. Even not great route runners can succeed in it, which is why both our WR were drafted and hardly did crap in the NFL so far. Not sure why we have went away from it but I think both Milton last year and Nico this year would have been far better with that offense, but somehow we have completely changed our offense to the boring predictable offense we saw this year.
 
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Bigorangefaninga said:
It really isn’t that difficult, when we play at warp speed as we did with Hooker it does not give the defense time to think and it makes the offense a lot more like playing backyard football. Easier for the OL, easier for QB and easier for the WR! Watch Hooker in both his years and it was a lot of one read and make the throw, because the defense was off kilter and not making their reads quick enough, so first WR running wide open on a simple route and the throw is made. Not sure why we went away from it because it simplified the playbook. It’s why Hooker went from an OK QB who Va Tech didn’t care about losing to a Heisman type player before his injury. We also saw it work when we did it for about 5-6 plays against OSU before Bishop got hurt and never did it again. I watched this video and breakdown, but it’s really simple, run fast pace and it helps the offense and confuses the defense. Even not great route runners can succeed in it, which is why both our WR were drafted and hardly did crap in the NFL so far. Not sure why we have went away from it but I think both Milton last year and Nico this year would have been far better with that offense, but somehow we have completely changed our offense to the boring predictable offense we saw this year.
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Watch the videos, they explain it. Nico this year and Joe's last year cannot process the information fast enough to play at that pace
 
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Bigorangefaninga said:
It really isn’t that difficult, when we play at warp speed as we did with Hooker it does not give the defense time to think and it makes the offense a lot more like playing backyard football. Easier for the OL, easier for QB and easier for the WR! Watch Hooker in both his years and it was a lot of one read and make the throw, because the defense was off kilter and not making their reads quick enough, so first WR running wide open on a simple route and the throw is made. Not sure why we went away from it because it simplified the playbook. It’s why Hooker went from an OK QB who Va Tech didn’t care about losing to a Heisman type player before his injury. We also saw it work when we did it for about 5-6 plays against OSU before Bishop got hurt and never did it again. I watched this video and breakdown, but it’s really simple, run fast pace and it helps the offense and confuses the defense. Even not great route runners can succeed in it, which is why both our WR were drafted and hardly did crap in the NFL so far. Not sure why we have went away from it but I think both Milton last year and Nico this year would have been far better with that offense, but somehow we have completely changed our offense to the boring predictable offense we saw this year.
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A little more complicated that just route running

The WR's have to manipulate the DB, the safety, or the NB and run the correct route based on their reaction. The QBust be on the same page with his read.

The long video shows how the routes in 2022 we more complex than in 2024. Stemming from the WR's lack of ability to manipulate the defense and the QB's lack of ability to read things quick enough

As Nico gets faster, our offense gets faster.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Option routes would be complex and require both the receiver and QB to read and react the same way.
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Thanks. I agree that’s more complex. What I don’t agree with is the idea that someone can tell from film if you’re reading those routes or not.

If a guy runs a hitch, how do we know he had the option to go deep but didn’t?
 
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Vol8188 said:
No, seemed long. Can you explain? Because honestly, I doubt they can tell if a route is simple or complex based on film
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The actual route ran by the WR is just a path, but what they need to do in order to manipulate the DB, the NB, or the safety and then what they do based on the defense reaction is what becomes complicated.

The easy part is "if he is even, I am leaving" - meaning if our WR can touch the man covering him, then just run past him

"If he is deep, I stop" - meaning if he can't touch the man covering, then the read comes whether it is an out, a dig, a curl, or a post.

The WR must read all the secondary, plus LB's that may drop in coverage.

Nico and our WR's need to be on the same page. They struggled to do that this year, resulting in a slower pace, more basic WR reads, and even set routes and targets.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Thanks. I agree that’s more complex. What I don’t agree with is the idea that someone can tell from film if you’re reading those routes or not.

If a guy runs a hitch, how do we know he had the option to go deep but didn’t?
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Example, one of the routes Hyatt ran against Bama in 2022. He starts as a wide slot on the right side. His goal was to attack the safety in the middle of the field.
As his route began his route moved toward that safety making him back pedal and move further left, but then his route flattened out and he was hit for a TD on a post.

All of this while Tillman had to occupy the corner, fant had to occupy the LB in the flat, and the RB had to had to occupy the other safety.

Hyatt might have been covered, so Hendon had to read all 4 to determine where to throw the pass.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Thanks. I agree that’s more complex. What I don’t agree with is the idea that someone can tell from film if you’re reading those routes or not.

If a guy runs a hitch, how do we know he had the option to go deep but didn’t?
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QB and WR must read the same guy and come up with the same decision, but it is way more complicated than a go route or a hitch.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’m aware of how it works. What I’m saying is I don’t think you can tell if it’s a hitch or an option route based on the film
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Watch the film, skip to when they start showing the plays. It shows how the receivers need to manipulate and read

How Josh Heupel Used Jalin Hyatt vs. Alabama
 
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