USDOJ throws monkey wrench in the House settlement

[S.C. OrangeMan]

This sounds like no matter what Congress may do, that the NCAA can't cap NIL or interfere with it.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Oh boy and the Wild West just keeps getting wilder. Woooppppeee.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Oh boy and the Wild West just keeps getting wilder. Woooppppeee.

This comes as no surprise to anyone that saw where the NIL clause in the House case settlement was headed.

 

[The Original Fade]

Oh boy and the Wild West just keeps getting wilder. Woooppppeee.

It’s a great system they created isn’t it? I mean, you can tell there was a lot of thought and planning that went in to NIL and the portal. It’s a shining example of efficiency, fairness, and orderly structure

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

It’s a great system they created isn’t it? I mean, you can tell there was a lot of thought and planning that went in to NIL and the portal. It’s a shining example of efficiency, fairness, and orderly structure

Maybe Trump will address it with an executive order on the second day. Day 1 seems busy.

The more ambiguity in the laws, the sooner Congressfolks from both sides of the isle will join forces and come forward with the Amateur Athletics Preservation Act. Won’t eliminate NIL, but will make employee status in separate leagues or divisions only. They have to be accommodated, but not by every institution. Harvard and Yale for instance.

The composition of Congress is not as off the wall as the judicial conglomeration and can supply paths to constitutional conformance.

Unlike the courts they ALL have constituents to satisfy.

 

[JohnWardForever]

It’s a great system they created isn’t it? I mean, you can tell there was a lot of thought and planning that went in to NIL and the portal. It’s a shining example of efficiency, fairness, and orderly structure

I have a feeling we are looking at a new deal ahead, I expect to see things get done, and make sense.

 

[Boston Vol]

This is actually a much bigger deal. NCAA basically waving the white flag at this point.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

It’s a great system they created isn’t it? I mean, you can tell there was a lot of thought and planning that went in to NIL and the portal. It’s a shining example of efficiency, fairness, and orderly structure

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So basically there is no governing NIL. It’s a free for all. Pay to play is legal and so is tampering. Oh but athletes deserve to get paid. And look what it’s created. A system that makes coaching these young men 100 times more difficult. Coaches have never had the freedom the players have now. Not even close.

 

[#1fulmerite]

And to think SMU was above the curve over 45 years ago!

I wonder, seriously, if SMU or any party affiliated with that scandal has any legal recourse for monetary damages against the NCAA? Think, though it’s a lot longer of a time span, Reggie Bush is coming to get his!

 

[Voltopia]

This is actually a much bigger deal. NCAA basically waving the white flag at this point.

I'm salivating - said very sarcastically, mind you - over the first time some big money bagman with no chill goes to an important player on an opposing team and offers them a giant purse to transfer the week of a big game. Maybe the week they go head to head. Maybe the week before a big game, like say a CFP semi-final, just to really twist the knife.

Doesn't even have to be the big time players, either. It could be an important but less lavishly compensated player. Think a long snapper, or a placekicker, someone who transferred in for one year and who has no loyalty to their current team - they're just their for the paycheck, like so many of the players in the game today. Pick a few of those off, and watch your hated rival suffer a critical mistake that costs them their season. Tell me there aren't people out there who wouldn't pay a little to see their hated rivals suffer a lot.

I mean, just picture it. You're a guy making average pay, it's your last season of eligibility, there's only so many games left at this school you moved over to for a cup of coffee ... and then some big bankroller slides into your DMs and says "I'll double what you were going to make this year if you pull up stakes and transfer."

No rules, after all. Right? No restrictions on anything. No rules. Let them do whatever they want to do, freely and without restriction. That's been one of the chief rallying cries of this whole mess.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

.And to think SMU was above the curve over 45 years ago!

I wonder, seriously, if SMU or any party affiliated with that scandal has any legal recourse for monetary damages against the NCAA? Think, though it’s a lot longer of a time span, Reggie Bush is coming to get his!

I think the statute of limitations has expired for SMU. Not sure about for Reggie Bush.

 

[ArmchairQB]

NIL should be a free for all. Is there some kind of governing structure in place telling Nike the limits on what it can pay Durant or whoever? The only limit NIL really needs is the business choice of whether there’s a return on investment.

What needs to stop is having some bizarre dotted line between NIL and actually playing sports. Of course that’s what sprung up, some last gasp from the NCAA of clinging to “amateurism” in multibillion dollar enterprises. If there’s a shred of honesty to be had, athletes in big-revenue-generating sports get paid directly for their participation. We don’t keep pretending it’s not semi-pro ball and then come up with payment packages (from arguably someplace else) to go do a commercial or an appearance.

 

[Butch s]

So basically there is no governing NIL. It’s a free for all. Pay to play is legal and so is tampering. Oh but athletes deserve to get paid. And look what it’s created. A system that makes coaching these young men 100 times more difficult. Coaches have never had the freedom the players have now. Not even close.

Like anything else the federal government gets involved with, turns to absolute S**T

 

[Butch s]

I'm salivating - said very sarcastically, mind you - over the first time some big money bagman with no chill goes to an important player on an opposing team and offers them a giant purse to transfer the week of a big game. Maybe the week they go head to head. Maybe the week before a big game, like say a CFP semi-final, just to really twist the knife.

Doesn't even have to be the big time players, either. It could be an important but less lavishly compensated player. Think a long snapper, or a placekicker, someone who transferred in for one year and who has no loyalty to their current team - they're just their for the paycheck, like so many of the players in the game today. Pick a few of those off, and watch your hated rival suffer a critical mistake that costs them their season. Tell me there aren't people out there who wouldn't pay a little to see their hated rivals suffer a lot.

I mean, just picture it. You're a guy making average pay, it's your last season of eligibility, there's only so many games left at this school you moved over to for a cup of coffee ... and then some big bankroller slides into your DMs and says "I'll double what you were going to make this year if you pull up stakes and transfer."

No rules, after all. Right? No restrictions on anything. No rules. Let them do whatever they want to do, freely and without restriction. That's been one of the chief rallying cries of this whole mess.

Just wonder when the useful idiots that support this disaster, are going to finally admit this is an absolute disaster.

 

[B81]

Nil is not the problem, unlimited transfer with no contracts is!

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Nil is not the problem, unlimited transfer with no contracts is!

It's not a problem. It's no different than someone with no contract changing jobs.

 

[Rocky Top T]

So basically there is no governing NIL. It’s a free for all. Pay to play is legal and so is tampering. Oh but athletes deserve to get paid. And look what it’s created. A system that makes coaching these young men 100 times more difficult. Coaches have never had the freedom the players have now. Not even close.

Agree, the players have Way too much power. It will ruin the game

 

[LWSVOL]

I'm salivating - said very sarcastically, mind you - over the first time some big money bagman with no chill goes to an important player on an opposing team and offers them a giant purse to transfer the week of a big game. Maybe the week they go head to head. Maybe the week before a big game, like say a CFP semi-final, just to really twist the knife.

Doesn't even have to be the big time players, either. It could be an important but less lavishly compensated player. Think a long snapper, or a placekicker, someone who transferred in for one year and who has no loyalty to their current team - they're just their for the paycheck, like so many of the players in the game today. Pick a few of those off, and watch your hated rival suffer a critical mistake that costs them their season. Tell me there aren't people out there who wouldn't pay a little to see their hated rivals suffer a lot.

I mean, just picture it. You're a guy making average pay, it's your last season of eligibility, there's only so many games left at this school you moved over to for a cup of coffee ... and then some big bankroller slides into your DMs and says "I'll double what you were going to make this year if you pull up stakes and transfer."

No rules, after all. Right? No restrictions on anything. No rules. Let them do whatever they want to do, freely and without restriction. That's been one of the chief rallying cries of this whole mess.

key phrase is "enrolling" at another institution. You can't leave on November 5th and get enrolled elsewhere until the following semester.

 

[Firebirdparts]

NIL should be a free for all

It truly was quite badly restricted as it was originally created. The restrictions are a big part of the problem, really. I don't suppose the restrictions put there by the NCAA really matter at this point. what we were told was:
1. No pay for play
2. School can't pay you
3. NIL can't be dependent on where you play
4. No tampering
etc.

The collectives were created to generate a totally fake mechanism for getting this done as pay for play (nobody cares about using your NIL to run a business). The collectives have to conspire with the school during recruiting. You have to.

So at this point, everybody is pay-for-play using fake means only. No contractual obligations are possible. At least not blunt ones.

I thought revenue sharing was set to start this summer. That might have been much less restricted in some ways, had its own different set of restrictions. However, the Dept of Education already has said that Title IX will apply to these payments and so whatever money you have, and that is capped of course, will go proportionally to the girls. Just that fact alone causes you to recognize that profit sharing on contribution among the boys is not going to be very simple.

 

[Firebirdparts]

key phrase is "enrolling" at another institution. You can't leave on November 5th and get enrolled elsewhere until the following semester.

That probably only applies to people like us who actually go to class. My bet is that does not apply to these people.

 

[TheDeeble]

key phrase is "enrolling" at another institution. You can't leave on November 5th and get enrolled elsewhere until the following semester.

That’s what stood out to me as well. Been about 25 years since I was in college but as far as I know there are still cutoffs for transfer and enrollment. Like you said I couldn’t start a fall semester at one school, wait till Nov, then transfer and enroll for that same fall semester at another school. I’d have to wait till the spring semester (starting in January).

 

[Voltopia]

key phrase is "enrolling" at another institution. You can't leave on November 5th and get enrolled elsewhere until the following semester.

That is true, but in a sport where "getting around the rules" is a time-honored tradition practiced by all serious competitors, I'm not putting it past anyone behind the scenes to cook up some way to bypass or ignore such pesky trivialities.

Maybe redefine some rules. Maybe employ some chicanerous hijinks. Maybe even with a lawsuit. They do love their lawsuits.

 

[m1al]

Maybe Trump will address it with an executive order on the second day. Day 1 seems busy.

The more ambiguity in the laws, the sooner Congressfolks from both sides of the isle will join forces and come forward with the Amateur Athletics Preservation Act. Won’t eliminate NIL, but will make employee status in separate leagues or divisions only. They have to be accommodated, but not by every institution. Harvard and Yale for instance.

The composition of Congress is not as off the wall as the judicial conglomeration and can supply paths to constitutional conformance.

Unlike the courts they ALL have constituents to satisfy.

Government definitely needs to stay out of it IMO. They screw up everything they stick their grubby hands in. Hell, the current administration is trying to burn the house down on its way out the door.

 

[J C Higgins]

This sounds like matter what Congress may do, that the NCAA can't cap NIL or interfere with it.

As I've posted before it seems to me the only way to significantly change the situation is for federal legislation that would deny any university participating in intercollegiate sports federal support of any kind ( direct payments, student/VA loans, Pell grants, research grants, etc, etc) if they use players with NIL contracts.

This would not prevent any school from continuing to participate with NIL supported athletes.....but they would have to do it without any kind of federal help.

This way the government could stop it just as effectively as they allowed it in the first place because few, if any universities would be willing to continue under those rules.