Throw out the tuition

[Flamparadiddle]

For those athletes seeking millions, take away their tuition scholarship to free it up for someone that wants a degree.

If the athletes want a degree or actually care about the education, they can pay for it out of their millions.

They're already getting way more perks even without the money.

First class food, first class training, first class medical, etc.

 

[RockyTopTexas]

This may just be the WORST take I’ve seen on here in years

 

[Zues1]

This may just be the WORST take I’ve seen on here in years

Do tell ?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

For those athletes seeking millions, take away their tuition scholarship to free it up for someone that wants a degree.

If the athletes want a degree or actually care about the education, they can pay for it out of their millions.

They're already getting way more perks even without the money.

First class food, first class training, first class medical, etc.

That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?

 

[RockyTopTexas]

Do tell ?

School comes first… then NIL

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

School comes first… then NIL

Not when NIL is what gets done if the athletes in school.

Don't cling to anachronistic ideas.

 

[Sara Clark]

Scholarship is related to the athleticism of an individual.
NIL (Name, Image, likeness) has nothing to do with athleticism.

These monies are given for two different reasons. Because of those differences, I don't see a way to do the mentioned proposal.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

For those athletes seeking millions, take away their tuition scholarship to free it up for someone that wants a degree.

If the athletes want a degree or actually care about the education, they can pay for it out of their millions.

They're already getting way more perks even without the money.

First class food, first class training, first class medical, etc.

So

You want UT to suck at football, right?

 

[utvolpj]

So then every school would just increase payments so that tuition is still not costing the player. Exactly how is that different than a scholarship?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

For those athletes seeking millions, take away their tuition scholarship to free it up for someone that wants a degree.

If the athletes want a degree or actually care about the education, they can pay for it out of their millions.

They're already getting way more perks even without the money.

First class food, first class training, first class medical, etc.

The athletes are worth the scholarship + the NIL to the schools. Do you think ALL the major schools are just throwing scholarships and money at guys for no reason?

Whether you agree or like it or not, the athletes are getting what the market determines: scholarship + NIL money.

Do you get a salary + benefits? Why? You get a salary, why should you get benefits too?

 

[Flamparadiddle]

Understood all points. Not sure of the angst though. Some of you take your fandom to an extreme level.

How about asking if said recruit wants to get an education. If not, no tuition. They're an employee of the school if the school pays them, right? I've seen many posts on here quoting them as "student" athletes.

And of course I want TN to be strong in football, but that isn't really the point I was making.

Again, valid points from all, but wow!. Don't let someone's opinion get to you so much. Sports are basically glorified backyard fun. It's entertainment.

 

[Zues1]

Call it what it is. Hired guns.
No longer student athletes. I'm not mad they are paid, but it's now paid /pro football for 18-22 year olds( well some of them) wearing college uniforms.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Understood all points. Not sure of the angst though. Some of you take your fandom to an extreme level.

How about asking if said recruit wants to get an education. If not, no tuition. They're an employee of the school if the school pays them, right? I've seen many posts on here quoting them as "student" athletes.

And of course I want TN to be strong in football, but that isn't really the point I was making.

Again, valid points from all, but wow!. Don't let someone's opinion get to you so much. Sports are basically glorified backyard fun. It's entertainment.

The elite recruits that get the $M are mostly not interested in an education, they plan on playing in the NFL. We know that may not work out for them but during college that's what they believe. Its where we are today. NIL is the wild wild west and has changed everything

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Understood all points. Not sure of the angst though. Some of you take your fandom to an extreme level.

How about asking if said recruit wants to get an education. If not, no tuition. They're an employee of the school if the school pays them, right? I've seen many posts on here quoting them as "student" athletes.

And of course I want TN to be strong in football, but that isn't really the point I was making.

Again, valid points from all, but wow!. Don't let someone's opinion get to you so much. Sports are basically glorified backyard fun. It's entertainment.

They're NOT employees and the NCAA, nor most fans, want college football to become pro football.

If you drop college from the mix, the players might be anywhere from 17 - 45 at UT because you cannot age discriminate against employees. Why should you be able to? Is that what you want?

Think it through. Employee status creates a pro sport and the Players Union, collective bargaining, salary caps, drafts, free agency, etc, etc that many fans hate about pro ball.

Employee status destroys the need for UT to even own the Vols. UT is a school, not a sports company.

 

[Zues1]

oldest active college football player is Luke Larsen, who is currently 32 years old and playing for East Carolina University. He is currently eligible for another season of play, meaning he will still be on campus at 33.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

oldest active college football player is Luke Larsen, who is currently 32 years old and playing for East Carolina University. He is currently eligible for another season of play, meaning he will still be on campus at 33.

That's eligibility based. If players become employees, especially at state run schools, even ex NFL players could be hired because "school eligibility" means nothing for school employees.

Imagine UT facing Alabama with Derrick Henry just having fun in his old age stiff arming 18yo DBs into the ground.

 

[Flamparadiddle]

So, if the school has a set amount of money to pay players, which is what is being proposed, how does that not make them employees?

I'm not saying perks don't belong in business, but this particular issue has caused a mess. Like the poster above, wild west. And if it's "business" can anyone of you go to your employer and say, "I'm worth 75k instead of 60k, and if I don't get it, I walk." Lucky you if you can.

 

[volmandu]

That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?

Also inability to understand NIL .. which is "legally" based on athletes' Name, Image and Likeness, have nothing to do with school while scholarships are funds paid by the school. I know schools get intertwined but legally they arent.

 

[C-south]

That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?

Fair market value for work? Lol, that is absurd. It will eventually get worked out though. I see where Arkansas is trying to recoup their cash from the other brother that bailed them. Hopefully that’s a step in the right direction.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?

“Fair market value”. Please change my mind and enlighten me why Nico was worth 2 million on the bench, then another 2 million as a sub bar SEC QB? I’m all for the players getting paid, but it has gotten a little carried away.

 

[orangepeopleeater]

I would do similar to the coaches. Add a buyout to the contract. They currently have zero stipulations to the contracts signed. Fix it that if you sign a NIL contract you are obligated to follow that contract. Such as no transferring after Spring practice. If you sign a contract over a set amount to have a buyout clause. If the current coach leaves or is fired you have a choice to stay with your current contract or it becomes null and void. Which gives you a choice to walk away. The athlete must also have to perform the duties that are included in such contract.

 

[C-south]

Also inability to understand NIL .. which is "legally" based on athletes' Name, Image and Likeness, have nothing to do with school while scholarships are funds paid by the school. I know schools get intertwined but legally they arent.

Yet without sports and the platform to play their name, image, and likeness isn’t worth a dime.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Fair market value for work? Lol, that is absurd. It will eventually get worked out though. I see where Arkansas is trying to recoup their cash from the other brother that bailed them. Hopefully that’s a step in the right direction.

Bogus claim. It absikutely is fair market value, especially for football. That's why the athletes get it.

"
Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."

"The NCAA is not above the law."

SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston

 

[Flamparadiddle]

Yep, carried away!

And I don't claim to know the legalities, and I'm certainly no expert on NIL, but I get the premise and actually agree with it. They should get paid for their appearances, apparel, etc.

But, if colleges are actually able to have money for direct pay, that sounds like an employee to me.

Y'all have a good day.

 

[Pride85]

That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?

No, some people just don't think athletes, coaches, ADs OR GM have "earned" the right to get paid what they do. Outside of entertainment and a chance to bet on them, what tangible contributions to society do they make? That statement applies to all levels. When people that provide those tangible contributions make money, they are classified as pure evil. Who do you think pays that money. The Billionaires that pay it just recoupe it through their companies. All those dollars coming from ESPN are paid for by the advertisers on their programs. The cost of those advertisements are passed along to all of us in the form of jacked up prices for the goods advertised. How do you judge "fair market value"? What someone with more dollars then sense is willing to pay for entertainment? What about those who don't?