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Apologies if there is a thread solely on this, I conducted a titles only search and saw nothing but a mid-season post that was telling of these stats. This does not include hurries.

2024-2025 - 87th
2023-2024 - 56th

College Football Stats - College FB Team QB Sacked per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football qb sacked per game, by team.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com

Some observations.

No QB can be great at 87th in sacks allowed.

56th was bad enough. What a drop off from bad enough. Clearly, you can’t be headed the wrong direction on OL and expect an elite QB to play well, let alone want to stay. Sort of redundant, but more with respect to trend,trajectory than single season stats.

I have said this once already, the knocks against Heupel missing on QBs and on the QBs themselves are a little off IMO. He worked wonders with Milton and his line was wasn’t that good. There were injuries in that season at line as well. I believe Milton would have realized 10 wins had our line stayed healthy. I think we would have been better with an elite OL every year he has been here, which we have been far from for many years. Best OL line we have had is DW’s senior season, and we were only better than average that year. (Hooker was destroyed by GA and SC’s line.)

As far as Nico goes, he showed signs of serious growth in his first year as a starter, despite spending way too much time on his butt. I didn’t like his move for more money, but requiring us to go out and spend big to get an elite offensive line is understandable. Where we have the most serious issues with talent in my opinion is OL.

I still think Heupel has a bit of a loyalty complex after his experience at Oklahoma. I think that has worked out in some areas, but I think it is hurting us at WR and OL. Our receivers have gotten worse since Pope was promoted from within, and I just outlined our OL situation.

Too late to make any changes this year, and I respect Heupel for his loyalty. But at what point do his words about no one being bigger than the Power T apply to his coaching loyalty?

Perhaps I’m wrong and I’m wide open for other opinions and clarifications. I’m no coach, and I don’t stay up to date on this stuff as much as I used to, so I’m constantly guessing. Plus, I have seen some things not work before with this staff, which impacts my trust and patience tremendously.
 
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HOT TAKE: Tennessee will have the best offensive line in the SEC this year. I think we're loaded. 7 or 8 future NFL guys. Think we'll lead the SEC in rushing AGAIN.
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Running the ball has been consistent every year since JH took over. The OL needs to get back to 2022 level pass pro.
 
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Nico was slow. He couldn't read the field and once he chose a receiver he would pat the ball and wait until he wasn't breaking open anymore to throw it. He played like he was waiting for the check to clear before throwing each pass.

I think that accounts for most or all of the difference in the sack totals between him and Milton.

Watch some of the analysts who break down Nico's film and it is a running theme.

Our line was not setting the world on fire, but it was better than the stat you picked would indicate. And once the current guys gets used to playing as a unit I think we will be much improved there than we have been in a while.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Apologies if there is a thread solely on this, I conducted a titles only search and saw nothing but a mid-season post that was telling of these stats. This does not include hurries.

2024-2025 - 87th
2023-2024 - 56th

College Football Stats - College FB Team QB Sacked per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football qb sacked per game, by team.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com

Some observations.

No QB can be great at 87th in sacks allowed.

56th was bad enough. What a drop off from bad enough. Clearly, you can’t be headed the wrong direction on OL and expect an elite QB to play well, let alone want to stay. Sort of redundant, but more with respect to trend,trajectory than single season stats.

I have said this once already, the knocks against Heupel missing on QBs and on the QBs themselves are a little off IMO. He worked wonders with Milton and his line was wasn’t that good. There were injuries in that season at line as well. I believe Milton would have realized 10 wins had our line stayed healthy. I think we would have been better with an elite OL every year he has been here, which we have been far from for many years. Best OL line we have had is DW’s senior season, and we were only better than average that year. (Hooker was destroyed by GA and SC’s line.)

As far as Nico goes, he showed signs of serious growth in his first year as a starter, despite spending way too much time on his butt. I didn’t like his move for more money, but requiring us to go out and spend big to get an elite offensive line is understandable. Where we have the most serious issues with talent in my opinion is OL.

I still think Heupel has a bit of a loyalty complex after his experience at Oklahoma. I think that has worked out in some areas, but I think it is hurting us at WR and OL. Our receivers have gotten worse since Pope was promoted from within, and I just outlined our OL situation.

Too late to make any changes this year, and I respect Heupel for his loyalty. But at what point do his words about no one being bigger than the Power T apply to his coaching loyalty?

Perhaps I’m wrong and I’m wide open for other opinions and clarifications. I’m no coach, and I don’t stay up to date on this stuff as much as I used to, so I’m constantly guessing. Plus, I have seen some things not work before with this staff, which impacts my trust and patience tremendously.
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You can get confused by statistic…..

This maybe a chicken and egg thing.

Is the sacks an indication of bad OL or bad QB or were they each making bringing out the worst in each other?

I Take C… I think they both had weaknesses which made things look bad.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Apologies if there is a thread solely on this, I conducted a titles only search and saw nothing but a mid-season post that was telling of these stats. This does not include hurries.

2024-2025 - 87th
2023-2024 - 56th

College Football Stats - College FB Team QB Sacked per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football qb sacked per game, by team.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com

Some observations.

No QB can be great at 87th in sacks allowed.

56th was bad enough. What a drop off from bad enough. Clearly, you can’t be headed the wrong direction on OL and expect an elite QB to play well, let alone want to stay. Sort of redundant, but more with respect to trend,trajectory than single season stats.

I have said this once already, the knocks against Heupel missing on QBs and on the QBs themselves are a little off IMO. He worked wonders with Milton and his line was wasn’t that good. There were injuries in that season at line as well. I believe Milton would have realized 10 wins had our line stayed healthy. I think we would have been better with an elite OL every year he has been here, which we have been far from for many years. Best OL line we have had is DW’s senior season, and we were only better than average that year. (Hooker was destroyed by GA and SC’s line.)

As far as Nico goes, he showed signs of serious growth in his first year as a starter, despite spending way too much time on his butt. I didn’t like his move for more money, but requiring us to go out and spend big to get an elite offensive line is understandable. Where we have the most serious issues with talent in my opinion is OL.

I still think Heupel has a bit of a loyalty complex after his experience at Oklahoma. I think that has worked out in some areas, but I think it is hurting us at WR and OL. Our receivers have gotten worse since Pope was promoted from within, and I just outlined our OL situation.

Too late to make any changes this year, and I respect Heupel for his loyalty. But at what point do his words about no one being bigger than the Power T apply to his coaching loyalty?

Perhaps I’m wrong and I’m wide open for other opinions and clarifications. I’m no coach, and I don’t stay up to date on this stuff as much as I used to, so I’m constantly guessing. Plus, I have seen some things not work before with this staff, which impacts my trust and patience tremendously.
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It's easy to point at the o line when there is a sack, but a lot of Nico's sacks were on his mobility in the pocket and ability to find open receivers quickly. I don't know how much was on who because there were some games where certain Oline players didn't show up... but if you want to see a qb with a bad oline, go watch Joey A's app state games last year.
 
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Voluble2 said:
Nico was slow. He couldn't read the field and once he chose a receiver he would pat the ball and wait until he wasn't breaking open anymore to throw it. He played like he was waiting for the check to clear before throwing each pass.

I think that accounts for most or all of the difference in the sack totals between him and Milton.

Watch some of the analysts who break down Nico's film and it is a running theme.

Our line was not setting the world on fire, but it was better than the stat you picked would indicate. And once the current guys gets used to playing as a unit I think we will be much improved there than we have been in a while.
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This
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
You can get confused by statistic…..

This maybe a chicken and egg thing.

Is the sacks an indication of bad OL or bad QB or were they each making bringing out the worst in each other?

I Take C… I think they both had weaknesses which made things look bad.
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Or bad receivers… poor coaching/development vs poor talent? poor route design or poor route execution?

it’s never all one thing…usually
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Apologies if there is a thread solely on this, I conducted a titles only search and saw nothing but a mid-season post that was telling of these stats. This does not include hurries.

2024-2025 - 87th
2023-2024 - 56th

College Football Stats - College FB Team QB Sacked per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football qb sacked per game, by team.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com

Some observations.

No QB can be great at 87th in sacks allowed.

56th was bad enough. What a drop off from bad enough. Clearly, you can’t be headed the wrong direction on OL and expect an elite QB to play well, let alone want to stay. Sort of redundant, but more with respect to trend,trajectory than single season stats.

I have said this once already, the knocks against Heupel missing on QBs and on the QBs themselves are a little off IMO. He worked wonders with Milton and his line was wasn’t that good. There were injuries in that season at line as well. I believe Milton would have realized 10 wins had our line stayed healthy. I think we would have been better with an elite OL every year he has been here, which we have been far from for many years. Best OL line we have had is DW’s senior season, and we were only better than average that year. (Hooker was destroyed by GA and SC’s line.)

As far as Nico goes, he showed signs of serious growth in his first year as a starter, despite spending way too much time on his butt. I didn’t like his move for more money, but requiring us to go out and spend big to get an elite offensive line is understandable. Where we have the most serious issues with talent in my opinion is OL.

I still think Heupel has a bit of a loyalty complex after his experience at Oklahoma. I think that has worked out in some areas, but I think it is hurting us at WR and OL. Our receivers have gotten worse since Pope was promoted from within, and I just outlined our OL situation.

Too late to make any changes this year, and I respect Heupel for his loyalty. But at what point do his words about no one being bigger than the Power T apply to his coaching loyalty?

Perhaps I’m wrong and I’m wide open for other opinions and clarifications. I’m no coach, and I don’t stay up to date on this stuff as much as I used to, so I’m constantly guessing. Plus, I have seen some things not work before with this staff, which impacts my trust and patience tremendously.
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Sack numbers can lie if the ball is coming out of the QB’s hands slower. You’re almost guaranteed a step back in sack numbers when a redshirt freshman is your QB1. Now we sucked early on and struggled to find a LT; heard was injured and out of shape most of the year.

Just saying there’s two tales. We sucked in pass protection last year and we have consistently had one of the best running blocking lines in the country since Heupel arrived.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Apologies if there is a thread solely on this, I conducted a titles only search and saw nothing but a mid-season post that was telling of these stats. This does not include hurries.

2024-2025 - 87th
2023-2024 - 56th

College Football Stats - College FB Team QB Sacked per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football qb sacked per game, by team.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com

Some observations.

No QB can be great at 87th in sacks allowed.

56th was bad enough. What a drop off from bad enough. Clearly, you can’t be headed the wrong direction on OL and expect an elite QB to play well, let alone want to stay. Sort of redundant, but more with respect to trend,trajectory than single season stats.

I have said this once already, the knocks against Heupel missing on QBs and on the QBs themselves are a little off IMO. He worked wonders with Milton and his line was wasn’t that good. There were injuries in that season at line as well. I believe Milton would have realized 10 wins had our line stayed healthy. I think we would have been better with an elite OL every year he has been here, which we have been far from for many years. Best OL line we have had is DW’s senior season, and we were only better than average that year. (Hooker was destroyed by GA and SC’s line.)

As far as Nico goes, he showed signs of serious growth in his first year as a starter, despite spending way too much time on his butt. I didn’t like his move for more money, but requiring us to go out and spend big to get an elite offensive line is understandable. Where we have the most serious issues with talent in my opinion is OL.

I still think Heupel has a bit of a loyalty complex after his experience at Oklahoma. I think that has worked out in some areas, but I think it is hurting us at WR and OL. Our receivers have gotten worse since Pope was promoted from within, and I just outlined our OL situation.

Too late to make any changes this year, and I respect Heupel for his loyalty. But at what point do his words about no one being bigger than the Power T apply to his coaching loyalty?

Perhaps I’m wrong and I’m wide open for other opinions and clarifications. I’m no coach, and I don’t stay up to date on this stuff as much as I used to, so I’m constantly guessing. Plus, I have seen some things not work before with this staff, which impacts my trust and patience tremendously.
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While I agree with the point in general, you have to look at the stats with caution to get full picture.

I agree on one thing right out the bat: we did not do a good job on pass protection, the OL was not good with blitz pick up. The tackles on both sides struggled a lot. I was surprised with how often Right Tackle got beat. Lance Heard at left improved as year went on but still wasn't very good.

Now, our QB held ball a little longer (normal for first year starter) and at times kept the ball when he should not have in RPO. That changes the stats some.

Our running game was great, so that kind of helped the stat. Imagine if the OL was not good at run game, this could have been a lot worse.

Compared to 2022 (and some 2023), we did not get the Tempo going as often which allowed defenses to set, rest and attack more. Also having a QB that got the ball out very quickly helped too.
 
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Voluble2 said:
Nico was slow. He couldn't read the field and once he chose a receiver he would pat the ball and wait until he wasn't breaking open anymore to throw it. He played like he was waiting for the check to clear before throwing each pass.

I think that accounts for most or all of the difference in the sack totals between him and Milton.

Watch some of the analysts who break down Nico's film and it is a running theme.

Our line was not setting the world on fire, but it was better than the stat you picked would indicate. And once the current guys gets used to playing as a unit I think we will be much improved there than we have been in a while.
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Agree but we sucked butt at pass protection early on though. Heard got injured before the season and only got into decent playing shape late in the season. We were nicked up at several positions as well.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Or bad receivers… poor coaching/development vs poor talent? poor route design or poor route execution?

it’s never all one thing…usually
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I agree with all of that. I will say however that even with our limited talent at the WR position, there were a LOT of open WR behind the defense that were missed by the QB.
How is the WR room perceived if they had a dozen more TD's last year?
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Apologies if there is a thread solely on this, I conducted a titles only search and saw nothing but a mid-season post that was telling of these stats. This does not include hurries.

2024-2025 - 87th
2023-2024 - 56th

College Football Stats - College FB Team QB Sacked per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football qb sacked per game, by team.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com

Some observations.

No QB can be great at 87th in sacks allowed.

56th was bad enough. What a drop off from bad enough. Clearly, you can’t be headed the wrong direction on OL and expect an elite QB to play well, let alone want to stay. Sort of redundant, but more with respect to trend,trajectory than single season stats.

I have said this once already, the knocks against Heupel missing on QBs and on the QBs themselves are a little off IMO. He worked wonders with Milton and his line was wasn’t that good. There were injuries in that season at line as well. I believe Milton would have realized 10 wins had our line stayed healthy. I think we would have been better with an elite OL every year he has been here, which we have been far from for many years. Best OL line we have had is DW’s senior season, and we were only better than average that year. (Hooker was destroyed by GA and SC’s line.)

As far as Nico goes, he showed signs of serious growth in his first year as a starter, despite spending way too much time on his butt. I didn’t like his move for more money, but requiring us to go out and spend big to get an elite offensive line is understandable. Where we have the most serious issues with talent in my opinion is OL.

I still think Heupel has a bit of a loyalty complex after his experience at Oklahoma. I think that has worked out in some areas, but I think it is hurting us at WR and OL. Our receivers have gotten worse since Pope was promoted from within, and I just outlined our OL situation.

Too late to make any changes this year, and I respect Heupel for his loyalty. But at what point do his words about no one being bigger than the Power T apply to his coaching loyalty?

Perhaps I’m wrong and I’m wide open for other opinions and clarifications. I’m no coach, and I don’t stay up to date on this stuff as much as I used to, so I’m constantly guessing. Plus, I have seen some things not work before with this staff, which impacts my trust and patience tremendously.
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How many of the sacks were the fault of the QB? We have had QBs in the past that were blasted for holding the ball too long when there was a truly terrible offensive line. The story cannot go both ways. It is not the QBs fault when he is unpopular, but entirely the line when it is a popular or higher rated QB.
 
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Gave up 24 sacks in 2023, 30 sacks in 2024. Quarterbacks struggled badly against teams with a pulse and against some teams without one.



Yet we gave up 44 sacks in 2021 and 28 sacks in 2022 and got some of the best QB play in school history.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Gave up 24 sacks in 2023, 30 sacks in 2024. Quarterbacks struggled badly against teams with a pulse and against some teams without one.



Yet we gave up 44 sacks in 2021 and 28 sacks in 2022 and got some of the best QB play in school history.
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Interesting. There is a simple reason for the huge difference in 2021&2022 and 2023&2024. Kodi Burns and Kelsey Pope. Our WRs have gotten significantly worse since Burns left.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Interesting. There is a simple reason for the huge difference in 2021&2022 and 2023&2024. Kodi Burns and Kelsey Pope. Our WRs have gotten significantly worse since Burns left.
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The biggest difference between those teams is that we had a great quarterback with Hendon Hooker and weak QBs without him.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Gave up 24 sacks in 2023, 30 sacks in 2024. Quarterbacks struggled badly against teams with a pulse and against some teams without one.



Yet we gave up 44 sacks in 2021 and 28 sacks in 2022 and got some of the best QB play in school history.
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Good comparison and contrast. I will say when the chance to go to an NC was on the line, the sacks were an issue—which is why I still think we need serious improvement in that area.
 
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