If Tennessee chooses state law over NIL pledge, it risks being kicked out of SEC

[dduncan4163]

If Tennessee chooses state law over NIL pledge, it risks being kicked out of SEC


A new Tennessee law triggered the power conferences of college sports into demanding member schools like the University of Tennessee and Vanderbilt to sign a loyalty pledge over new player pay rules or face possible expulsion.

Knox News confirmed the existence of the loyalty document through a source with direct knowledge of the situation. The source requested anonymity because those correspondence are between the conferences and member schools.

The document is being circulated by the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten and the SEC. It demands that member schools agree to follow new rules involving paying players despite state laws giving the freedom to circumvent the rules. And the pledge also requires schools to waive their right to sue the NCAA or conferences if they disagree with the implementation of those rules.


Let them try

 

[dduncan4163]

 

[Voltopia]

I don't get how the "loyalty document" is any different from the prior eligibility enforcement conducted by the NCAA, which the Supreme Court struck down in prior judgments.

If the schools were allowed to agree to rules of conduct that compelled limits on compensation or payment or whatever else people want to be allowed to do, then none of this idiocy, the NIL stuff, the transfer nonsense - none of it - would have ever been a problem. Simply implementing the old one-year-wait-for-eligibility rule for transfers would address so much of this madness. But I thought anything of that nature was going to get the pants sued off it.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the schools agree to a competitive framework that reined in this incredibly filthy race to the bottom, but I don't see how anything doesn't just strengthen the anti-trust argument further.

 

[utvolpj]

After the past few years, is this really the school they want to fight?

 

[Dansky]

I don't get how the "loyalty document" is any different from the prior eligibility enforcement conducted by the NCAA, which the Supreme Court struck down.

If the schools were allowed to agree to rules of conduct that compelled limits on compensation or payment or whatever else people want to be allowed to do, then none of this idiocy, the NIL stuff, the transfer nonsense - none of it - would have been a problem.

I guess I’m at the point of not caring one iota about this crap

 

[dduncan4163]

 

[dduncan4163]

After the past few years, is this really the school they want to fight?

Let them try. It won't end well for them.

 

[dduncan4163]

I don't get how the "loyalty document" is any different from the prior eligibility enforcement conducted by the NCAA, which the Supreme Court struck down in prior judgments.

If the schools were allowed to agree to rules of conduct that compelled limits on compensation or payment or whatever else people want to be allowed to do, then none of this idiocy, the NIL stuff, the transfer nonsense - none of it - would have ever been a problem. Simply implementing the old one-year-wait-for-eligibility rule for transfers would address so much of this madness. But I thought anything of that nature was going to get the pants sued off it.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the schools agree to a competitive framework that reined in this incredibly filthy race to the bottom, but I don't see how anything doesn't just strengthen the anti-trust argument further.

It's the same thing. They're just trying to dress it up. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this 9-0. As long as the The Sherman Antitrust Act is law they have no leg to stand on. In the end the only solution is a Collective Bargaining agreement

 

[dduncan4163]

Danny White is 100% correct, you cant limit earning potential without collective bargaining w the labor force. The cap is just going to be more legal headaches down the line.

 

[stolitonic]

Bring it.

They're about 4 years too late if they are expecting the meek old Tennessee from 2009-2020.

We gotta slap somebody around in the courtroom again then so be it

Gotta remember we were a founding member of the SEC and have been a pretty big dog for the better part of the century when this sport was built. We know where ALL the bodies are buried I assure you.

 

[dduncan4163]

Bring it.

They're about 4 years too late if they are expecting the meek old Tennessee from 2009-2020.

We gotta slap somebody around in the courtroom again then so be it

Gotta remember we were a founding member of the SEC and have been a pretty big dog for the better part of the century when this sport was built. We know where ALL the bodies are buried I assure you.

What you just said.

 

[Flogballs]

I don't get how the "loyalty document" is any different from the prior eligibility enforcement conducted by the NCAA, which the Supreme Court struck down in prior judgments.

If the schools were allowed to agree to rules of conduct that compelled limits on compensation or payment or whatever else people want to be allowed to do, then none of this idiocy, the NIL stuff, the transfer nonsense - none of it - would have ever been a problem. Simply implementing the old one-year-wait-for-eligibility rule for transfers would address so much of this madness. But I thought anything of that nature was going to get the pants sued off it.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the schools agree to a competitive framework that reined in this incredibly filthy race to the bottom, but I don't see how anything doesn't just strengthen the anti-trust argument further.

Exactly! A monopsony. Seems there must be something else going on here

 

[Rocky Top T]

I wouldn't waste my time listening to that dude. Him and Boogie Bentley just want clicks!

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

As I read this, UT is using the state to keep themselves from getting sued over the House Settlement "NIL cap." The school seems to want to have the state law there so they can either avoid signing the loyalty pledge or ignore it immediately when the lawsuits start so they get dropped from the case.

Following the money, UT doesn't want to spend it on more attorney fees so a state law lets them lean into the state law to supercede the NCAA rules. The state of TN can then go after the NCAA as they did in the Nico recruiting case and the multi transfers with no penalty case.

I'd bet on several states passing similar laws to protect the interests of their schools. The NCAA, once again, won't be able to enforce any NIL rules even if the House Settlement and NIL "cap" exist.

 

[IndianaVol]

So is this 'loyalty document' being circulated by the NCAA or by heads of the power conferences?

If it's NCAA, this is just a weak attempt to claw.back some of the power they have lost.

If it's power conference commissioners, it maybe the start of them breaking away from the NCAA and forming something new.

 

[roberthunter]

Pledge sheet to play football, you say?

I may play ball next fall, but I will never sign that. Now me and my loser friends are gonna head out to buy Aerosmith tickets. Top priority of the summer.

 

[LAVol1]

Are the conferences trying to make NIL deals legit? As of right now, NIL is a total sham. IF it's a legit transaction, the collective should expect to receive revenue from the player's NIL thru autographs, photo ops, and personal appearances, recouping its costs or making a profit. That is not what is happening. Players are getting paid and the collective gets little or nothing in return from the athlete. Therefore, NIL is a complete sham and should be reigned in or eliminated entirely.

 

[RTVFL89]

Pledge sheet to play football, you say?

I may play ball next fall, but I will never sign that. Now me and my loser friends are gonna head out to buy Aerosmith tickets. Top priority of the summer.

You better get your priorities straight Randall Floyd.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Are the conferences trying to make NIL deals legit? As of right now, NIL is a total sham. IF it's a legit transaction, the collective should expect to receive revenue from the player's NIL thru autographs, photo ops, and personal appearances, recouping its costs or making a profit. That is not what is happening. Players are getting paid and the collective gets little or nothing in return from the athlete. Therefore, NIL is a complete sham and should be reigned in or eliminated entirely.

"Legit" is a contract both agree to without duress.

You don't get to determine what's "legit" for a business, they do. For instance, was there a "legit" reason to pay Phil Fulmer the rest of his contract after he voluntarily stepped down as AD?

No. That wasn't pay for "legit" work either.

 

[wmcovol]

The House settlement is another example of “kicking the can down the road” which is all the NCAA has ever been capable of doing. The Tennessee law basically brings this to the conclusion where the world will be after 5+ years of ligation & hundreds of millions wasted on legal fees.

I really believe Sankey & Big10 commissioner prefer the Tennessee law but politics with other members require they stay patient. I read last week a comment from Sankey that the “NCAA may be outta college football soon”. “Soon” may be defined in months or years, but if the NCAA holds to their “no pay for play” stance, it may be the shorter end of soon. What they’re trying to do now is perpetuate a lie. It’s always been pay for play.

 

[hog88]

"Legit" is a contract both agree to without duress.

You don't get to determine what's "legit" for a business, they do. For instance, was there a "legit" reason to pay Phil Fulmer the rest of his contract after he voluntarily stepped down as AD?

No. That wasn't pay for "legit" work either.

It would be legit for the NCAA to ban booster collectives. Players would still be free to make as much as they can from their NIL, they would just have to find them on their own.

 

[reecetn]

The dog barks and shows it has no teeth in doing so!!!! Cute little puppy needs to go lay down!!!

 

[volhick]

You better get your priorities straight Randall Floyd.

Alright alright alright!

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It would be legit for the NCAA to ban booster collectives. Players would still be free to make as much as they can from their NIL, they would just have to find them on their own.

They'd likely get sued because the NCAA cannot likely legally control groups like Spyre nor the private contracts they sign or facilitate.

That's what was at the core of NIL. The NCAA can't stop players from getting NIL. They certainly can't stop businesses not bound by the NCAA from forming to facilitate NIL.

 

[hog88]

They'd likely get sued because the NCAA cannot likely legally control groups like Spyre nor the private contracts they sign or facilitate.

That's what was at the core of NIL. The NCAA can't stop players from getting NIL. They certainly can't stop businesses not bound by the NCAA from forming to facilitate NIL.

True, NCAA can’t control those groups but they can ban member institutions from coordinating, consulting with or associating with booster collectives.