Is this the year we finally get the Heupel offense back or is Pope not the guy if not?

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Yeah I know inexperience everywhere this year but watching the WR nuances under Burns versus the "I drew it on paper" routes from Pope I have to wonder.. The smallest of moves created space and made us the greatest show on turf.. If just for a minute... Was a good break down end of season and I was floored how dramitcally the first few moves impacted coverage... Am hoping Pope watched it and if not Heuple needs to glue his eyes open, strap him to a chair in the film room and put it on repeat for him for a few days.............
 
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NOTembarassedanyMO said:
Yeah I know inexperience everywhere this year but watching the WR nuances under Burns versus the "I drew it on paper" routes from Pope I have to wonder.. The smallest of moves created space and made us the greatest show on turf.. If just for a minute... Was a good break down end of season and I was floored how dramitcally the first few moves impacted coverage... Am hoping Pope watched it and if not Heuple needs to glue his eyes open, strap him to a chair in the film room and put it on repeat for him for a few days.............
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Is Pope the offensive coordinator??

Can’t Halzle point out these same things you did?
Can’t Halzle know NOT to send 4.8 speed Bru McCoy on a 9 route?
Can’t Halze understand they are playing corners covers on down 1-2 and blitzing on 3rd down?

Only a simpleton would blame the WR coach for an average predictable offense 😒.

Pope needs to recruit better, but he’s not the reason for our stale offense…
 
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LittleVol said:
Is Pope the offensive coordinator??

Can’t Halzle point out these same things you did?
Can’t Halzle know NOT to send 4.8 speed Bru McCoy on a 9 route?
Can’t Halze understand they are playing corners covers on down 1-2 and blitzing on 3rd down?

Only a simpleton would blame the WR coach for an average predictable offense 😒.

Pope needs to recruit better, but he’s not the reason for our stale offense…
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Good points. We hear the word “separation” used a lot in describing the receiver position. It’s that first step or the move on the break that makes the difference in being OPEN or not. We’ve seen countless receivers who weren’t burners who always seem to get open. As you rightly point out, it’s knowing your defense, matchups, and finding that guy who has the shake and mindset to find the daylight. With a fast offense like CJH’s a step and a second is all it takes
 
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All the pieces have to be working for the offense to gel. Certainly receivers being able to get open - through route design as well as technique - is fundamental but I still see the QB’s ability/inability to quickly see the entire field in real time as the play develops as the biggest factor in how well our passing game works. Hendon Hooker was special. Of course Hyatt could take the top off of just about any defense so that contributed to more open looks. I thought Nico was ok at seeing the field quickly but it was an area he needed to improve. We’ll see how the new QBs perform under fire.
 
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LittleVol said:
Is Pope the offensive coordinator??

Can’t Halzle point out these same things you did?
Can’t Halzle know NOT to send 4.8 speed Bru McCoy on a 9 route?
Can’t Halze understand they are playing corners covers on down 1-2 and blitzing on 3rd down?

Only a simpleton would blame the WR coach for an average predictable offense 😒.

Pope needs to recruit better, but he’s not the reason for our stale offense…
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You call the guy a “simpleton” for having a bad take? What a complete a$$hole.
 
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LittleVol said:
Is Pope the offensive coordinator??

Can’t Halzle point out these same things you did?
Can’t Halzle know NOT to send 4.8 speed Bru McCoy on a 9 route?
Can’t Halze understand they are playing corners covers on down 1-2 and blitzing on 3rd down?

Only a simpleton would blame the WR coach for an average predictable offense 😒.

Pope needs to recruit better, but he’s not the reason for our stale offense…
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I think there have been some rumblings about Pope as the WR coach. It sounds like there is a bit of a disconnect w/ him and some of the players .
 
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KB vol said:
Good points. We hear the word “separation” used a lot in describing the receiver position. It’s that first step or the move on the break that makes the difference in being OPEN or not. We’ve seen countless receivers who weren’t burners who always seem to get open. As you rightly point out, it’s knowing your defense, matchups, and finding that guy who has the shake and mindset to find the daylight. With a fast offense like CJH’s a step and a second is all it takes
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When I was in high school I had a basket ball coach who for several prior years had his team running plays. As they came down the court the point guard would hold up fingers calling out the play. (by the way these teams were state tourney teams). We had stopped running plays and I ask him why. His answer was you know the guys on the older teams, and you know the guys on this team. Now what kind of grades did the earlier team make (a's and b's) what do these guys make (c's maybe a b now and then).He said "now running at speed you have to be pretty smart to execute plays, those teams could, these can't". What I am saying is - - - well maybe - - - -
 
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Total Offense:
2021- 7th
2022- 1st
2023- 37th
2024- 14th

I was really surprised to see where we were last year, I guess because of the struggles in conference games and the long touchdown droughts are what stands out to me. I guess the easy games really padded the numbers.
 
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NOTembarassedanyMO said:
Yeah I know inexperience everywhere this year but watching the WR nuances under Burns versus the "I drew it on paper" routes from Pope I have to wonder.. The smallest of moves created space and made us the greatest show on turf.. If just for a minute... Was a good break down end of season and I was floored how dramitcally the first few moves impacted coverage... Am hoping Pope watched it and if not Heuple needs to glue his eyes open, strap him to a chair in the film room and put it on repeat for him for a few days.............
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If you are expecting our offense to ever get back to 2022 levels then you are wasting your time. AP and Hubbs have said multiple times that teams are not gonna play TN the same way ever again. As for Pope? The jury is still very out. The WR corps has gotten worse every year under him. I think this year is huge for him. Of the WRs don’t improve significantly then Heupel is gonna have to look to replace him.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Total Offense:
2021- 7th
2022- 1st
2023- 37th
2024- 14th

I was really surprised to see where we were last year, I guess because of the struggles in conference games and the long touchdown droughts are what stands out to me. I guess the easy games really padded the numbers.
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Teams are starting to recruit players to manage the spread offenses. I am not a big supporter of those who criticize CJH's offense; at the end of the day, a win is better than a loss. I can't count the number of WRs and QBs who played in traditional NFL-type offenses that didn't work out in the NFL... just saying.
 
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Sarms58 said:
I thought Nico was ok at seeing the field quickly but it was an area he needed to improve. We’ll see how the new QBs perform under fire.
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I don't know how quickly he could read the field but he sure held on to ball too long. A receiver usually only has the break to be open. Nico apparently wasn't looking a lot of times. Understand Joey is a gunslinger who won't have a problem with that, if he is the starting QB.
 
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Every route a WR runs is not necessarily what is called or in the play book. The QB and WR have to be on the same page. If the QB sees a different coverage than the WR sees, he can expect his receiver to adapt to the coverage. Same for a WR seeing something the QB doesn’t. When that happens it breaks down the play and makes one or the other look bad.
Don’t know if Heupel’s play book is still the same as earlier, but it was stated a lot of plays only 1/2 the field was “in play” meaning the WRs on one side of the field weren’t in the original QB reads. That is why it sometimes looked like the receivers were taking plays off.
 
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Sarms58 said:
All the pieces have to be working for the offense to gel. Certainly receivers being able to get open - through route design as well as technique - is fundamental but I still see the QB’s ability/inability to quickly see the entire field in real time as the play develops as the biggest factor in how well our passing game works. Hendon Hooker was special. Of course Hyatt could take the top off of just about any defense so that contributed to more open looks. I thought Nico was ok at seeing the field quickly but it was an area he needed to improve. We’ll see how the new QBs perform under fire.
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Need to remember, we had receivers who were open and our QB was unable to see them or often overthrew them when he did see them. I expect our offense to be greatly improved over last year's offense.
 
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Sarms58 said:
All the pieces have to be working for the offense to gel. Certainly receivers being able to get open - through route design as well as technique - is fundamental but I still see the QB’s ability/inability to quickly see the entire field in real time as the play develops as the biggest factor in how well our passing game works. Hendon Hooker was special. Of course Hyatt could take the top off of just about any defense so that contributed to more open looks. I thought Nico was ok at seeing the field quickly but it was an area he needed to improve. We’ll see how the new QBs perform under fire.
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Agree, all the pieces work together. Hard to articulate all of the factors, but when you see fine-tuned offense it's not hard to recognize...same as when you've got a bunch of talent but not all on same page. New QB doesn't have to be an all star, but for us to have a good season, he'll have to be a great facilitator, certainly on same page as WRs at all times.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think there have been some rumblings about Pope as the WR coach. It sounds like there is a bit of a disconnect w/ him and some of the players .
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Couple of things one the ball has to come to the open man. Nico missed a lot last year, just never saw some guys open. Second thing is catch the damn ball when it comes your way; bunch of guys had passes come to them and didn’t make catches. Pope isn’t the problem with someone not catching the damn ball when it’s thrown to them.

All of that said I think we could do better at some position coaches as far recruiting and coaching imo. My opinion though doesn’t matter, only Heupel’s does and he’s led us to a pretty solid record in his time here
 
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Need more trick plays and counter intuitive plays.

That play where we hid Hyatt behind a LT against Mizzou and then he scampered untouched to the end zone. Never tried that again.

Last year ohio state had everybody block left and the qb squirted out to the right for big yards.

Teams know we will run or pass depending on the number of players they have to defend the run. Why can't we go against the grain and sometimes pass when we are suppose to rush or vice versa to keep them guessing.

Need RBs to catch more passes too.

Need TEs more active too. block, release, catch pass, run over secondary players!
 
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DaddyChad said:
Couple of things one the ball has to come to the open man. Nico missed a lot last year, just never saw some guys open. Second thing is catch the damn ball when it comes your way; bunch of guys had passes come to them and didn’t make catches. Pope isn’t the problem with someone not catching the damn ball when it’s thrown to them.

All of that said I think we could do better at some position coaches as far recruiting and coaching imo. My opinion though doesn’t matter, only Heupel’s does and he’s led us to a pretty solid record in his time here
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I agree, but if the focus is not where it’s supposed to be for whatever reason then there are going to be more errors than what should happen. It sounds like a lot of guys in that room were not happy w/ their position coach at the end of the season. That doesn’t necessarily mean Pope was the problem, but the room underachieved a lot last season, and basically the entire throw game underachieved as a whole .
 
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