New College Sports Commission rejecting NIL deals with collectives. It has begun

[TheDeeble]

At least they didn't wait around to get it started. Let the lawsuits commence!

The new agency in charge of regulating name, image, likeness deals in college sports sent a letter to schools Thursday saying it had rejected deals between players and donor-backed collectives formed over the past several years to funnel money to athletes or their schools.

Those arrangements hold no "valid business purpose," the memo said, and don't adhere to rules that call for outside NIL deals to be between players and companies that provide goods or services to the general public for profit.

Commission rejecting some athlete NIL deals

The new agency in charge of regulating name, image, likeness deals in college sports sent a letter to schools Thursday saying it had rejected deals between players and donor-backed collectives formed over the past several years.

www.espn.com

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

At least they didn't wait around to get it started. Let the lawsuits commence!

Commission rejecting some athlete NIL deals

The new agency in charge of regulating name, image, likeness deals in college sports sent a letter to schools Thursday saying it had rejected deals between players and donor-backed collectives formed over the past several years.

www.espn.com

You know it's going to happen. I'm betting the NCAA loses these, too.

 

[Okie]

You know it's going to happen. I'm betting the NCAA loses these, too.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the new NIL clearinghouse is not a part of the ncaa. I think it's a stand alone organization that is about to find out it is as neutered as the ncaa.

 

[feathersax]

At least they didn't wait around to get it started. Let the lawsuits commence!

Commission rejecting some athlete NIL deals

The new agency in charge of regulating name, image, likeness deals in college sports sent a letter to schools Thursday saying it had rejected deals between players and donor-backed collectives formed over the past several years.

www.espn.com

This fellow is primed & ready...

 

[The Original Fade]

You know it's going to happen. I'm betting the NCAA loses these, too.

To be fair though, most of these players are just being paid to be there, not for use of their name image and likeness like the ruling was intended

 

[FlyFishnVol]

At least they didn't wait around to get it started. Let the lawsuits commence!

Commission rejecting some athlete NIL deals

The new agency in charge of regulating name, image, likeness deals in college sports sent a letter to schools Thursday saying it had rejected deals between players and donor-backed collectives formed over the past several years.

www.espn.com

Not going to lie, they're not wrong, what other functions does a collective serve other than funneling money? There has to be a better way to clean up this mess.

 

[Delmar]

To be fair though, most of these players are just being paid to be there, not for use of their name image and likeness like the ruling was intended

Absolutely. NIL has been nothing but pay for play. Not sure I ever saw a single ad or commercial featuring a college athlete. Maybe one or two showing up at a business but that’s about it.

 

[sjt18]

I actually agree with the argument... but you have to have the credibility to enforce it.

 

[jeff1vol]

After ALL of the BS with NIL/Collectives/Clearinghouse, Congress, NCAA... blah, blah... It will all just end up as it was in previous years! Under-table deals skirting "rules". This HAS TO BE the biggest waste of time in the history of sports. Anyone who thinks otherwise is incredibly naive. Just let the players sign contracts and get paid to play football. WTF? They don't come to college to play school.

 

[CINCYVOL]

To be fair though, most of these players are just being paid to be there, not for use of their name image and likeness like the ruling was intended

They are getting paid to play, period. It doesn’t matter where the money comes from, and no entity can put a cap on someone else’s ability to make money.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Absolutely. NIL has been nothing but pay for play. Not sure I ever saw a single ad or commercial featuring a college athlete. Maybe one or two showing up at a business but that’s about it.

It has always been pay to play but just in different form: Tuition, Room and Board, Trainers, medical staff, tutors, wine, women and song, etc…

Players have always been paid to play just the pay was not commiserate to their importance to the team except Alabama and a few other favored schools…

 

[RockyTop140]

Absolutely. NIL has been nothing but pay for play. Not sure I ever saw a single ad or commercial featuring a college athlete. Maybe one or two showing up at a business but that’s about it.

If it was actually used for its intended purpose only the Burrows, Manziels, etc. would actually be worth it for businesses. Kids certainly wouldn’t be being paid as high school recruits

 

[hog88]

This won't last long.

 

[BDP!]

This fellow is primed & ready...

Great series, not quite as good as BB but close.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Absolutely. NIL has been nothing but pay for play. Not sure I ever saw a single ad or commercial featuring a college athlete. Maybe one or two showing up at a business but that’s about it.

Making an appearance for a business is all that would be required.

Collectives are likley to turn into ad agencies with a department set up for collecting donations and another for setting up appearnaces/ads.

 

[HeuperDrive]

Absolutely. NIL has been nothing but pay for play. Not sure I ever saw a single ad or commercial featuring a college athlete. Maybe one or two showing up at a business but that’s about it.

Yeah, the idea that NIL was going to eliminate pay for play and the bagman was, in hindsight, an extremely naive hope. The bagmen just work through a collective now.

There truly is nothing new under the sun.

 

[RockyTop140]

Great series, not quite as good as BB but close.

Was slow at times but the plot was awesome. Wish I could watch it and breaking bad again for the first time

 

[swampfoxfan]

You know it's going to happen. I'm betting the NCAA loses these, too.

I hope not

 

[goldvol]

of course it's pay for play. That makes it legal and not the anti-trust violations that have occurred for generations. Kavanaugh was clear they would have ruled the lack of pay anti-trust, they just weren't asked that question.

 

[a vol n tears]

To be fair though, most of these players are just being paid to be there, not for use of their name image and likeness like the ruling was intended

Totally agree. If there were rules requiring a player to actually ”earn” using their name image likeness, and not just use that term, I’d at least have some respectability for what they could earn. Almost all of these players are not even known out of HS, other than their communities. Let them earn their money. Play a year or 2 and if they become a household name, then pay the big bucks. If not, earn regional or local money. Show receipts for what received money for.
Schools will do what other schools do. If their are rules limiting money to earning it through actual NIL. Schools have no limits, so they do what they do to keep up. Alas, the cat’s already out of the bag.

 

[TheDeeble]

Not going to lie, they're not wrong, what other functions does a collective serve other than funneling funny? There has to be a better way to clean up this mess.

I agree it's pay for play under the guise of NIL. I've thought but have never heard either way that collectives aren't running profits based on their business dealings. They survive because of fan donations. But I'm wondering why a 3rd party can tell someone else you can't pay this person that money.

It's not the route I thought they'd go. I didn't think they would tell a player you can't accept this money or you can't be eligible. I figured they'd put the pain on the school and say it counts against your revenue sharing.

Is it legal to have a sports commission tell people that aren't their employees and have no contract with that they can't be paid money for services that aren't happening on the playing field?

This verbiage in the article is what interested me. They're putting restrictions on what counts as a valid use of NIL. Are these legally defensible restrictions? That first paragraph sounds like what happens all the time at fan fests or comic-cons. People pay so they can meet and interact with actors, wrestlers, comic book artists, ect. And in this case football players. Interacting with the athletes they watch or getting pictures or autographs I would think is the "goods and services available to the general public"

The letter explained that if a collective reaches a deal with an athlete to appear on behalf of the collective, which charges an admission fee, the standard is not met because the purpose of the event is to raise money to pay athletes, not to provide goods or services available to the general public for profit.

The same would apply to a deal an athlete makes to sell merchandise to raise money to pay that player because the purpose of "selling merchandise is to raise money to pay that student-athlete and potentially other student-athletes at a particular school or schools, which is not a valid business purpose" according to the NCAA rule.

 

[B81]

The collective’s revenue stream is about to dry up anyway. With the schools now paying the players, the athletic department will funnel that donated money to the players through revenue sharing.

The question I am curious of is, if anyone is currently signed up to give Spyre a donation, are you now going to give to the university?

Actual NIL deals with local businesses were few and far between.

 

[TNnative]

I can safely say, "I do not care."

 

[volfan411]

The collective’s revenue stream is about to dry up anyway. With the schools now paying the players, the athletic department will funnel that donated money to the players through revenue sharing.

The question I am curious of is, if anyone is currently signed up to give Spyre a donation, are you now going to give to the university?

Actual NIL deals with local businesses were few and far between.

Good I hope the collectives are forced out of college sports. They have been and will continue to be the problem if not somehow regulated.

 

[B81]

Unfortunately for this committee, NIL is subjective, much like art. If I want to give Savion Hiter 2 mill for one of his 3rd grade finger-painting masterpieces that is my prerogative. It will be next to impossible to enforce any of these decisions.

All the players have to do is start an onlyfans account, and as long as they are in Knoxville wearing orange, they can get subscribers.