Huepel and Tennessee QB narrative

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This narrative, whether Tennessee fans agree with it or not, is going to follow Heupel and the Vols around until the program puts a quarterback in the NFL that becomes a regular starter.
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While that quote is probably true, it isn't Heupel-specific. The last QB that Tennessee put in the NFL that became a regular starter was Peyton Manning.
 
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05_never_again said:
While that quote is probably true, it isn't Heupel-specific. The last QB that Tennessee put in the NFL that became a regular starter was Peyton Manning.
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It is a really tough job to win because there are only 32 open positions in the entire world. UT has produced some good to great college QBs by program standards but most have only been back up material in the NFL.
 
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We sort of got side track in the Hooker thread talking about this but the question has also came up about WR and their ability to run routes.
 
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The premise that Heupel ruined Hooker's potential or Joe Milton's potential is obviously ludicrous. Look at what each of these quarterbacks did before they got to Tennessee. These were not quarterbacks with NFL trajectories and yet both finished their college careers with solid years with high completion rates and minimal mistakes.

There is a problem for Heupel, which won't go away this year, that almost all of his opportunities at Tennessee have been with older transfer quarterbacks. Dillon Gabriel is the only QB he had early in his college career who has moved on to college. Like Hooker and Milton, he wasn't seen as an elite QB going into college and ended up getting drafted and into a good place to get a backup role. None of that should alarm elite QBs.
 
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People said the same about Texas Tech and that air raid offense for years. Then Pat Mahomes blows up and suddenly the air raid offense is spreading like wild fire.
 
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How many NFL starting qb's has Bama, Georgia, Florida, LSU etc., produced? College ball in general is different. Add up all the teams qb's and the percentage of starting nfl qb's is miniscule. These keyboard jockeys are just mad cause they are as inept at playing a game as the majority of us are.
 
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Only Bama and LSU are putting starting QBs in the NFL. Except of course Stafford, he's ancient. Bo Nix isn't a SEC guy after going off to Oregon. It's not like everybody in the SEC is producing NFL QBs but UT. ACC has done just as well as the SEC lately.
 
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Volz4lif3 said:
Don't like how the media is trying to spin this and these so called QB gurus...


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this article isn't worth the electrons it took to transit from point a to point b.

there is a whole network of private coaches, trainers and "agents" who have their own agenda and probably take cash under the table to push their players to preferred programs and negatively recruit against others.
 
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preacherrandy said:
How many NFL starting qb's has Bama, Georgia, Florida, LSU etc., produced? College ball in general is different. Add up all the teams qb's and the percentage of starting nfl qb's is miniscule. These keyboard jockeys are just mad cause they are as inept at playing a game as the majority of us are.
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Every blue chip recruit I can recall has talked about the "dream" of playing in the NFL. There's a reason they use that word. Playing in the NFL isn't a realistic goal for the vast majority of CFB players. Tennessee has had quite a few QBs who were able to sign an NFL contract and take their shot. I think that's all someone like Faizon Brandon realistically expects -- to be coached to a level where he can get a shot at the league. No CFB coach can promise to make you a starter in the NFL.
 
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No doubt the best college football team in the last 20 years has been Bama( had to admit!!). Put more players in the pros than most any other. Even with all this, the most successful QB from Bama was run off to finish at Oklahoma.
 
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There are 32 NFL teams. How many college football programs are there? That's definitely a stupid take. Now, if no one ever got drafted, I would understand. Being in the pros, is all about fit for certain players. Some players can thrive in any system, and some can't.
 
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It's all fine and dandy that this writer has an opinion. HOWEVER... I didn't read ONE THING in his article that specifically points out exactly how UT's QB's are put into a "developmental hole" by our coaches/system, etc. Be specific and gain a little credibility. Otherwise... it's simply speculation.
 
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Expecting to have a regular starter is probably not realistic. Lot of good football schools don't have established starting qbs in the NFL. And you can't blame Heupel for Tennessee qbs that don't start in the NFL when they played before he even got here. We had a run of terrible coaches before Heupel. As a Tennessee head coach he has a good repuation for getting his qbs to the NFL. Hooker was drafted and Milton is still in a #2 spot at Dallas. He's 2 for 2 on sending his starting qbs to the NFL.

The drawback on Heupel imo is the criticism that his offense doesn't prepare players for the next level. You can look at some coaches through their history and see their players succeeding in the NFL. Hard to see that for Heupel. As for qbs, the only qb with any NFL success tied to Heupel is Sam Bradford or Drew Lock. Marginal at best. WRs? Kenny Stills. Rbs from a Heupel offense? Samaje Perine I think. He was at Oklahoma the last year Heup was the offensive coordinator.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
It is a really tough job to win because there are only 32 open positions in the entire world. UT has produced some good to great college QBs by program standards but most have only been back up material in the NFL.
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True, but there have been multiple less-prominent football programs who have put multiple consistent starters in the NFL since that time.
 
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jeff1vol said:
It's all fine and dandy that this writer has an opinion. HOWEVER... I didn't read ONE THING in his article that specifically points out exactly how UT's QB's are put into a "developmental hole" by our coaches/system, etc. Be specific and gain a little credibility. Otherwise... it's simply speculation.
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Because the wide splits are so pronounced in our offense, people say it doesn’t prepare our QB’s to make “pro style” reads. The hashes being wider in college is what causes the discrepancy in alignments.

Ultimately, we need a proof of concept QB (Stroud at Ohio State) to be that because people used to say the same thing about OSU QB’s.
 
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I love Hooker. Really do. But does anyone honestly believe he even gets an NFL try out as a UFA if he hadn't put up big numbers in Heupel's O? He wasn't headed toward the NFL at VT. He was headed back to Greensboro.

Heupel runs a system. That system fits some guys. It doesn't fit other guys. A guy with talent who performs at UT in Heupel's O is NOT going to be hurt on draft day. There are a LOT of guys with success in the NFL today who weren't prepared by their college program to run an NFL O.
 
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Ignorant take. You have 32 teams and QB’s play 10+ years. You have to be one of the 32 best on the planet within the past 8-10 years to even have a shot as a starter. Is Ty Simpson going to unseat Burrow or Trevor Lawrence? Is Stockton going to unseat Mahomes or Dak? Really moronic take. Just the fact that Heup took Gabriel, Lock, Hooker, Milton and have them on current rosters says a ton (Hooker was cut so who knows but was on a roster for 2+ years). Those guys were cast offs and all made it to the NFL. Anyone else see a QBU out there? These starters are aliens that come from many styles and backgrounds…Kyler Murray and Joe Flacco. Heup is a great great coach. Ask Manning what he thinks of Heup as a QB developer.
 
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Doesn’t it seem like Joel Klatt has some jarring take every season? That’s what these guys do. They drop some hot takes and see if one catches fire to draw attention to themselves.

An undrafted, mini-camp-only QB’s opinion of this offense and our HC doesn’t matter. If it’s such a terrible offense, why are teams struggling to stop it? Why are players from it getting drafted and receiving accolades?

I’ll take Heupel’s judgement to run this offense over Klatt’s outside opinion of it. One’s a National Champion, former All-American, QB of the Year, SEC Coach of the Year, and the other’s Joel Klatt… enough said.
 
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