Did anybody hear what Barkley said last night?

#1
Volnanza

Volnanza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 4, 2012
Messages
1,093
Likes
2,829
#1
He was just talking about the games and things that affect the outcome of games. Then he said something to the effect of "you know some officials bet on the games". Gene Steritore's got kind of wild eyed and the other blab stars were just kind of looking at each other. Lets see if turns out to be foreshadowing for the up coming games.
 
#2
#2
The last 3-4 years, I do think the officiating in basketball has gotten significantly better. Officials used to really favor UNC, Duke, UK, Kansas, etc. I don't see that anymore.

Football, on the other hand, is a disaster right now and needs to be addressed. I also think we need to take a deep dive in the football rule book and make changes in general.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tn4elvis, Volwonder1, AlwaysOrangeNeverBlue and 1 other person
#4
#4
volbound1700 said:
The last 3-4 years, I do think the officiating in basketball has gotten significantly better. Officials used to really favor UNC, Duke, UK, Kansas, etc. I don't see that anymore.

Football, on the other hand, is a disaster right now and needs to be addressed. I also think we need to take a deep dive in the football rule book and make changes in general.
Click to expand...
Basketball has not gotten better. I don’t know if it’s the speed or what, but officials are having trouble seeing body contact versus ball contact and consistently calling the game. A meaningless rip through foul versus blatant contact at the rim not being called. We have gotten away from fundamental violations as well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: iVolSoHard, DooleyOrangePants, EasternVol and 7 others
#5
#5
It doesn’t take much to affect the betting outcome of the game, and you don’t have to affect the result of the game. Take the first 5 minutes of the Tennessee UCLA game. Don’t you remember how many fouls occurred in the first few minutes on both sides of the basketball? Second half it was being called totally different than that first few minutes.

I remember thinking how odd it was. But if someone was giving you $50k to call 6 fouls in the first five minutes, it would be easy for that same guy to bet the under when stars for both teams have to hit the bench for several minutes.

Just confirmed with the play by play, there were 6 fouls in the first 3.5 minutes, 8 total after 5 minutes.

Then 25 fouls for the next 35 minutes. That changed the first half dynamic whether it was legit reffing or not. And plenty of the middle part was just as physical, they just called it different.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Big Al Orange, rbjnet, assembler and 4 others
#7
#7
I believe sometimes Barkley just talks to hear his voice. Why would refs bet on games when caught they would go to prison. Betting on games they don’t officiate may be different, but that’s kinda hard to believe. Then again, greed is a powerful thing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: b-ball fan
#10
#10
volbound1700 said:
The last 3-4 years, I do think the officiating in basketball has gotten significantly better. Officials used to really favor UNC, Duke, UK, Kansas, etc. I don't see that anymore.

Football, on the other hand, is a disaster right now and needs to be addressed. I also think we need to take a deep dive in the football rule book and make changes in general.
Click to expand...
I watched a UK player do a flying cross-body block on an Illinois 3-point shooter right in front of a ref, who not only didn’t call a foul but called it out on Illinois. Corruption.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hurley Mooncalf and rbjnet
#11
#11
If we end up playing Purdue again, we should be allowed to choose the refs. Fool me once, shame on you (2018 sweet 16 phantom 3 point foul), fool me twice (last years EE letting the big guy pulverize everyone and park in the 3 second area), shame on me. Not even going to mention the football bowl game.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rbjnet, HendoCinco and GiveHim6InSC
#12
#12
One if the worst ref habits lately at all levels is the jump ball call. They called a jump ball at the first of the game when the UCLA guy literally grabbed both of Okpara's arms and then worked his way down to the ball.

I saw several calls this season where they called a jump ball without the defensive player actually even touching the basketball at all during the play.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JacketVol, Dr H Lecter, rbjnet and 7 others
#13
#13
VolArmy74 said:
One if the worst ref habits lately at all levels is the jump ball call. They called a jump ball at the first of the game when the UCLA guy literally grabbed both of Okpara's arms and then worked his way down to the ball.

I saw several calls this season where they called a jump ball without the defensive player actually even touching the basketball at all during the play.
Click to expand...

My biggest gripe, beyond bad calls ABSOLUTELY shown by replay, is the different rulings when players do the hands straight up thing and remain in their established cylinder. Especially when very similar, exact rarely applies, are called in favor of offense on one end, then on defense, or a play on on the other end.,

Need a tutorial for refs and fans. Our 12 has been on the bad end of calls on both ends a lot, rarely on the good side.
 
  • Like
Reactions: vol72, assembler and EasternVol
#14
#14
Volnanza said:
He was just talking about the games and things that affect the outcome of games. Then he said something to the effect of "you know some officials bet on the games". Gene Steritore's got kind of wild eyed and the other blab stars were just kind of looking at each other. Lets see if turns out to be foreshadowing for the up coming games.
Click to expand...
I wouldn’t doubt it one bit
 
#15
#15
Millions bet on these games and when Vegas betting on a game is so lopsided they can't adjust fast enough to bring it back, they buy insurance. The lowest paid men on the floor also have the most ability to control the score. They need to follow them around and see where they go on vacations in the summer.
 
#16
#16
VolArmy74 said:
One if the worst ref habits lately at all levels is the jump ball call. They called a jump ball at the first of the game when the UCLA guy literally grabbed both of Okpara's arms and then worked his way down to the ball.

I saw several calls this season where they called a jump ball without the defensive player actually even touching the basketball at all during the play.
Click to expand...
I believe 9 of every 10 held balls are fouls on the defense.
 
#18
#18
knoxvol52 said:
Barkley probably lost a ton of cash on a game and of course Barkley blamed the refs...
Click to expand...
About 11 years ago, I was in line behind Charles Barkley in the Mandalay Bay Sportsbook in Vegas. It was a few days before Auburn was playing Florida State for the National Championship in football. I remember he was at the cashier stand a long time. It probably does have something to do with sour grapes over losing some bets. You gotta love Barkley though. Great personality.
 
  • Like
Reactions: WarDamnVols and knoxvol52
#21
#21
jeff1vol said:
I have a hard time believing; with the amount of money in online gambling going on now, that anyone would be naive enough to really think cheating and game "interference" isn't going on. Cmon. Of course it is. Some ref/official will get caught doing something stupid sooner or later.
Click to expand...
It really is as simple as a ref having his buddy place bets and they share the winnings. Don’t know if that’s actually happened yet, but how could the NCAA ever discover that?
 
  • Like
Reactions: jeff1vol
#24
#24
goldvol said:
It doesn’t take much to affect the betting outcome of the game, and you don’t have to affect the result of the game. Take the first 5 minutes of the Tennessee UCLA game. Don’t you remember how many fouls occurred in the first few minutes on both sides of the basketball? Second half it was being called totally different than that first few minutes.

I remember thinking how odd it was. But if someone was giving you $50k to call 6 fouls in the first five minutes, it would be easy for that same guy to bet the under when stars for both teams have to hit the bench for several minutes.

Just confirmed with the play by play, there were 6 fouls in the first 3.5 minutes, 8 total after 5 minutes.

Then 25 fouls for the next 35 minutes. That changed the first half dynamic whether it was legit reffing or not. And plenty of the middle part was just as physical, they just called it different.
Click to expand...
I don't think the outcome of the game is where you are most likely to see some shenanigans. The Jontay Porter prop betting scandal is probably not an isolated incident though. That sort of thing will be less likely to detect or raise a red flag.
 
#25
#25
BowlBrother85 said:
I don't think the outcome of the game is where you are most likely to see some shenanigans. The Jontay Porter prop betting scandal is probably not an isolated incident though. That sort of thing will be less likely to detect or raise a red flag.
Click to expand...
Had read this article a while back about that ring. This stuff obviously happens but I don’t think it’s nearly at the clip people want to believe. You can probably do it once or twice and get away with it. But once you create a pattern around a ref or a player it becomes very easy to zero in on where the money is coming from when a few of the same accounts or hundreds of accounts are betting in unison.

Inside the Gambling Ring Allegedly Linked to Point Shaving Across Pro and College Basketball

The books know they have the odds stacked against customers so anyone that’s starts winning too regularly is going to put under a microscope bc you’re cleaning them out and they also don’t want a perception out there that sports are rigged bc that’s bad for business. It’s also bad for business for pros who gamble on the up and up. If you walk into a casino with tons of cash and no one in town knows who you are they will find out who you are pretty quick if you starting cleaning them and their best customers out. College player props seem to me to be the most vulnerable so fixing bc it might not affect the outcome of a game and be less obvious. I would actually like to see all college player props banned in the every state.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BowlBrother85
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top