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#85,183
Orangeslice13 said:
I’m sure I can make something up if I don’t know.
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OK, lengthy post here.

I'm good at maritime construction and fair at regular construction.

We live on acreage and when I bought the place there were a couple of buildings on the property. One was your typical barn with a loft and the other was built sort of like post and beam construction (I use that term lightly). Over the years we have used the building just for storage. It did have a concrete block foundation, probably 3 course high with a poured footer. The building had a dirt floor in it. 3-4 years ago my son and I decided to make it into a workshop. It had a loft in it but the ceiling height under the loft was only around 6' and I'm a little taller so I would hit my head. We decided to dig out the floor and gain some height and we poured a concrete floor. It also had old rusty metal siding which we pulled off and put on 5/8 T1-11 siding. My dad got ill about that time and we shelved the project so I could help take care of him.

Fast forward to January last year. My son had graduated from UT and was now engaged. His wife was/is in med school to become a doctor. I told him we could punt on the work shop and repurpose the building into an apartment for them to live in so they could save money given the cost of medical school. He decided that they wanted to do that. The build wasn't really large enough but it had a lean to shed off one side where I kept my stuff, tractor, mower, ATV etc.. We ended up claiming that space and pouring concrete, framing in walls, siding etc. in order to give her an office, a laundry room, and a bathroom. Here's where it gets interesting. What I haven't shared is the people we bought the farm from, the husband worked for the railroad. Some, several of the beams were creosote covered timbers. We did paint as much as we could get to with Kilz, oil based primer. They moved in August of last year (still wasn't finished but they were married and didn't want to stay with us or her parents any longer). They did fine until late January or early February of this year. All of a sudden the creosote odor started to rear it's ugly head. It's so bad that they were forced to move out. The solution I'm working on is I've been removing the exterior T1-11, house wrap, and the insulation. I've Kilz'd the areas that we were not able to get to before, several coats. And then I'm using closed cell spray foam to cover those beams and seal the walls up even tighter. I'll then replace the insulation, house wrap, and t1-11.

I've spent 10's of thousands of $$ on this place and I really don't want to abandon it. Is there any other ideas you can offer? Have you ever dealt with this before? I should add that the wall between the new and old contains some creosote beams and contains no insulation. We've been avoiding that wall because it's already been drywalled, finished and painted. My son thinks we could use that insulation that you drill holes and blow in to limit airflow in the walls. I'm not convinced that will do it. I think I may just have to remove the drywall on one side. It will only be 4 or so sheets.

Thanks for any advice you may have.
 
#85,184
#85,184
InVOLuntary said:
OK, lengthy post here.

I'm good at maritime construction and fair at regular construction.

We live on acreage and when I bought the place there were a couple of buildings on the property. One was your typical barn with a loft and the other was built sort of like post and beam construction (I use that term lightly). Over the years we have used the building just for storage. It did have a concrete block foundation, probably 3 course high with a poured footer. The building had a dirt floor in it. 3-4 years ago my son and I decided to make it into a workshop. It had a loft in it but the ceiling height under the loft was only around 6' and I'm a little taller so I would hit my head. We decided to dig out the floor and gain some height and we poured a concrete floor. It also had old rusty metal siding which we pulled off and put on 5/8 T1-11 siding. My dad got ill about that time and we shelved the project so I could help take care of him.

Fast forward to January last year. My son had graduated from UT and was now engaged. His wife was/is in med school to become a doctor. I told him we could punt on the work shop and repurpose the building into an apartment for them to live in so they could save money given the cost of medical school. He decided that they wanted to do that. The build wasn't really large enough but it had a lean to shed off one side where I kept my stuff, tractor, mower, ATV etc.. We ended up claiming that space and pouring concrete, framing in walls, siding etc. in order to give her an office, a laundry room, and a bathroom. Here's where it gets interesting. What I haven't shared is the people we bought the farm from, the husband worked for the railroad. Some, several of the beams were creosote covered timbers. We did paint as much as we could get to with Kilz, oil based primer. They moved in August of last year (still wasn't finished but they were married and didn't want to stay with us or her parents any longer). They did fine until late January or early February of this year. All of a sudden the creosote odor started to rear it's ugly head. It's so bad that they were forced to move out. The solution I'm working on is I've been removing the exterior T1-11, house wrap, and the insulation. I've Kilz'd the areas that we were not able to get to before, several coats. And then I'm using closed cell spray foam to cover those beams and seal the walls up even tighter. I'll then replace the insulation, house wrap, and t1-11.

I've spent 10's of thousands of $$ on this place and I really don't want to abandon it. Is there any other ideas you can offer? Have you ever dealt with this before? I should add that the wall between the new and old contains some creosote beams and contains no insulation. We've been avoiding that wall because it's already been drywalled, finished and painted. My son thinks we could use that insulation that you drill holes and blow in to limit airflow in the walls. I'm not convinced that will do it. I think I may just have to remove the drywall on one side. It will only be 4 or so sheets.

Thanks for any advice you may have.
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Got yourself a tarbaby
 
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Hope you are all doing well; I'm very sorry for the things that Dink and Joey (and others) are going through. The positive is that there are medical advances that can help where things had decidedly less positive outcomes just a few years ago. Assisted living is a hard sell in many cases, but my parents did well in that setting after adjustment. We're facing it again with my wife's 98 yo father - he actually still drives - apparently well in the daytime. Some of it is probably that early boomers and the previous generation were pretty self sufficient AND STUBBORN; we don't like feeling the need for assistance.

If any of you have frequent headaches, there's some good news. I finally went to a neurologist, and he diagnosed me with chronic migraines. I'm talking pretty much daily and often all day headaches. I'm just starting with a self injectable drug that seems to be at least taking the edge off; apparently it takes multiple injections (monthly) to build to full potency. It definitely improves the frame of mind - something to consider if you are having frequent headaches.
 
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In other interesting news, NIL is rearing it's ugly head again. Jeremy Pruitt is suing the NCAA for $100M because he claims TN was paying players before he did it, so he should be eligible for lost wages. Since the court decided to make NIL payment retroactive for players (ex post facto law be damned), it doesn't seem like the NCAA and maybe UT at some point have a defense. In fact the ex post facto aspect of NIL would seem to open up the concept of reparations and renegotiations for anything and everything. Ambulance chasers may have a field day with what the NIL lawsuit and judge have opened up.
 
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AM64 said:
In other interesting news, NIL is rearing it's ugly head again. Jeremy Pruitt is suing the NCAA for $100M because he claims TN was paying players before he did it, so he should be eligible for lost wages. Since the court decided to make the payment retroactive for players (ex post facto law be damned), it doesn't seem like the NCAA and maybe UT at some point have a defense. In fact the ex post facto aspect of NIL would seem to open up the concept of reparations and renegotiations for anything and everything. Ambulance chasers may have a field day with what NIL has opened up.
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What Jeremy Pruitt did is illegal under the old rules and the new rules....
 
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AM64 said:
In other interesting news, NIL is rearing it's ugly head again. Jeremy Pruitt is suing the NCAA for $100M because he claims TN was paying players before he did it, so he should be eligible for lost wages. Since the court decided to make NIL payment retroactive for players (ex post facto law be damned), it doesn't seem like the NCAA and maybe UT at some point have a defense. In fact the ex post facto aspect of NIL would seem to open up the concept of reparations and renegotiations for anything and everything. Ambulance chasers may have a field day with what the NIL lawsuit and judge have opened up.
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He's probably been shopping around for a lawyer to take his case for awhile and finally found one.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
What Jeremy Pruitt did is illegal under the old rules and the new rules....
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That's true, but NIL is in a fantasy league all of its own. Supposedly it was to be payment for profits stemming from the use of a player's name, image, or likeness. Their NIL was supposedly something that related to exceptional ability in the game (a jersey with a proven, hot QB name and number is going to sell in larger quantities than a player walking up and down the sidelines). In practice NIL is nothing at all like that; it's simply morphed into the old thing of legalizing under the table payments to induce the best players to play at a school. Put it this way, incoming players have actually done nothing at the collegiate level to earn NIL pay - and certainly not to the tune of millions. This has become buying players (the old fashioned way) in a semi-legal way.

Worst part is that with the portal, the players can essentially blackmail teams and there are no caps or limits. OH State just showed what a lot of money can buy; I can't see why any of us would want that in an "amateur" sport. The other thing is that the related roster limits kill the chances for walk-on players - there's no way that is a positive outcome.
 
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hog88 said:
I think this is one even LG wouldn't touch.
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Well, you know, 40% of $100M is enough to interest pretty much any lawyer; and NIL as put in play basically says schools should have been paying players then because it's legal now. Unless some other court looks at what opening Pandora's box has set loose and is scared witless, this won't end well.
 
#85,194
#85,194
InVOLuntary said:
OK, lengthy post here.

I'm good at maritime construction and fair at regular construction.

We live on acreage and when I bought the place there were a couple of buildings on the property. One was your typical barn with a loft and the other was built sort of like post and beam construction (I use that term lightly). Over the years we have used the building just for storage. It did have a concrete block foundation, probably 3 course high with a poured footer. The building had a dirt floor in it. 3-4 years ago my son and I decided to make it into a workshop. It had a loft in it but the ceiling height under the loft was only around 6' and I'm a little taller so I would hit my head. We decided to dig out the floor and gain some height and we poured a concrete floor. It also had old rusty metal siding which we pulled off and put on 5/8 T1-11 siding. My dad got ill about that time and we shelved the project so I could help take care of him.

Fast forward to January last year. My son had graduated from UT and was now engaged. His wife was/is in med school to become a doctor. I told him we could punt on the work shop and repurpose the building into an apartment for them to live in so they could save money given the cost of medical school. He decided that they wanted to do that. The build wasn't really large enough but it had a lean to shed off one side where I kept my stuff, tractor, mower, ATV etc.. We ended up claiming that space and pouring concrete, framing in walls, siding etc. in order to give her an office, a laundry room, and a bathroom. Here's where it gets interesting. What I haven't shared is the people we bought the farm from, the husband worked for the railroad. Some, several of the beams were creosote covered timbers. We did paint as much as we could get to with Kilz, oil based primer. They moved in August of last year (still wasn't finished but they were married and didn't want to stay with us or her parents any longer). They did fine until late January or early February of this year. All of a sudden the creosote odor started to rear it's ugly head. It's so bad that they were forced to move out. The solution I'm working on is I've been removing the exterior T1-11, house wrap, and the insulation. I've Kilz'd the areas that we were not able to get to before, several coats. And then I'm using closed cell spray foam to cover those beams and seal the walls up even tighter. I'll then replace the insulation, house wrap, and t1-11.

I've spent 10's of thousands of $$ on this place and I really don't want to abandon it. Is there any other ideas you can offer? Have you ever dealt with this before? I should add that the wall between the new and old contains some creosote beams and contains no insulation. We've been avoiding that wall because it's already been drywalled, finished and painted. My son thinks we could use that insulation that you drill holes and blow in to limit airflow in the walls. I'm not convinced that will do it. I think I may just have to remove the drywall on one side. It will only be 4 or so sheets.

Thanks for any advice you may have.
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If it were me…..I would want to avoid disturbing those logs in any way. Without pictures to have a better idea of the space, I’m thinking I’d likely use Zip exterior sheathing on the inside wall and ceiling. Tape and seal it all in and then cover that with Sheetrock. When Zip is done correctly you have to manually move air to avoid running out of oxygen inside the structure as you breathe. I **** you not, it’s that tight.
Hit me with some pics and I will ponder on it some more.


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Orangeslice13 said:
If it were me…..I would want to avoid disturbing those logs in any way. Without pictures to have a better idea of the space, I’m thinking I’d likely use Zip exterior sheathing on the inside wall and ceiling. Tape and seal it all in and then cover that with Sheetrock. When Zip is done correctly you have to manually move air to avoid running out of oxygen inside the structure as you breathe. I **** you not, it’s that tight.
Hit me with some pics and I will ponder on it some more.


www.huberwood.com

ZIP System® Wall Sheathing | Huber Engineered Woods

Our easy-to-install ZIP System® sheathing and tape streamlines the weatherization process that delivers moisture and air protection with a water and air barrier.
www.huberwood.com www.huberwood.com
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