“(It’s) hard to beat the cheaters.”

[solivols]

It would be easier to consider him a talented coach if he ever beat his rivals. What is his Michigan team’s combined record against Ohio State, Michigan State, and Notre Dame. This performance is probably why he is a miserable person.

Out of curiosity I actually looked this up. I knew he was 0 for against Ohio State, but his record against those three since being head coach is 2-7. Both wins against Michigan State.

Going back 10 years, Michigan is overall 8-21 against Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State.

 

[Zues1]

I hope they are 5-7 this season.

 

[05_never_again]

Out of curiosity I actually looked this up. I knew he was 0 for against Ohio State, but his record against those three since being head coach is 2-7. Both wins against Michigan State.

Going back 10 years, Michigan is overall 8-21 against Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State.

The only positive record he can point to as far as a rival/quality opponent is Penn St, who he is 3-1 against. Other than that, the performances against rivals or in big games is pretty dismal, and then his idiocy is compounded when he equates other schools out-spending Michigan on a recruiting budget to cheating. I wasn't aware the fact that Georgia and Alabama outspend Michigan in recruiting caused him to go 0-4 against Ohio St. Ohio St actually spent considerably less than Michigan did last year on recruiting. He's also so incredibly full of s**t when he says that Michigan competes with Princeton academically. Michigan is a good school, but are you kidding me?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

It would be easier to consider him a talented coach if he ever beat his rivals. What is his Michigan team’s combined record against Ohio State, Michigan State, and Notre Dame. This performance is probably why he is a miserable person.

I’m pretty sure he was miserable before he got to Michigan. Imagine how miserable he had to make people in the office everyday if were you one play from winning the Super Bowl and then not far down the road it’s in everyone’s best interest that you leave. Trading the Bay Area for Ann Arbor? I don’t care if you are a “Michigan Man”, no way.

 

[05_never_again]

I’m pretty sure he was miserable before he got to Michigan. Imagine how miserable he had to make people in the office everyday if were you one play from winning the Super Bowl and then not far down the road it’s in everyone’s best interest that you leave. Trading the Bay Area for Ann Arbor? I don’t care if you are a “Michigan Man”, no way.

No kidding. It is amazing how that relationship in SF deteriorated so quickly. He was one of the 4 best teams in the NFL in each of his first 3 seasons, but by the 4th year everybody hated everybody and he had to go. Winning at that level usually keeps people happy, even miserable people like Harbaugh.

 

[Remy]

The only positive record he can point to as far as a rival/quality opponent is Penn St, who he is 3-1 against. Other than that, the performances against rivals or in big games is pretty dismal, and then his idiocy is compounded when he equates other schools out-spending Michigan on a recruiting budget to cheating. I wasn't aware the fact that Georgia and Alabama outspend Michigan in recruiting caused him to go 0-4 against Ohio St. Ohio St actually spent considerably less than Michigan did last year on recruiting. He's also so incredibly full of s**t when he says that Michigan competes with Princeton academically. Michigan is a good school, but are you kidding me?

That's the one that has always been funny to me how Michigan grads as well as most all Big 10 school grads consider themselves to be Ivy League schools but football powerhouses. Northwestern, I'll give it to those folks as well as Purdue perhaps, but the state universities in the BIG10 being academically equivalent to the Ivy League is and has been a joke.

 

[Dudley Smith]

You would say that as a Baylor fan, but remember Texas has won 4 national titles since 1948. Michigan has won half of one, and they won half of that title in pretty controversial fashion.

There are overrated programs (of which Texas actually is one)...and then there is Michigan. Regarding Texas, one thing I will say about them is that most people (perhaps except Oklahoma fans) don't realize just how much more accomplished of a program Oklahoma is than them. They are huge rivals and I think a lot of people assume they've won roughly equivalent amounts of hardware and accolades, but Oklahoma has won quite a bit more, all the while being located in a spot where it's more difficult to recruit.

I will point out that Texas leads the all time series with OU, 62–47–5, and is 3rd in all time wins to OU's 8th place in that category. Not to run down OU, they are one of the true blue blood programs in CFB, to be sure, and have done a great job of consistently raiding the DFW Metroplex for years for recruits.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Harbaugh complains about cheating and then talks about how Rashan Gary was offered hundreds of thousands to go to other schools. Gary ultimately chooses Michigan over CLEMPSON??!! I wonder why that was? Is it because Gary is a Michigan Man or (gasp) maybe they outbid Clempson?

I always love when these so-called public ivy schools act like they are as pure as the driven snow.

It's Clemson. There's no "P" in it.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Texas also has a lot of competition for said talent. Specifically a lot of that Harris County talent you mentioned goes to A&M; it's closer in proximity.

There is no school on the planet with a more inflated view of itself than Michigan, both in terms of athletics and academics. It really isn't even close. Just go to Wikipedia and pull up their program's page. It's stunning to see what they've actually won over the years relative to their reputation, even if you are a really knowledgeable college football fan. It just "feels" like they have won a lot more than they have. The peak of their program was 1901-04...seriously. I'm not being facetious. They've had other good runs of play that culminated in titles, but the peak of their program was 120 years ago.

Michigan's most notable achievement as a program is that they started playing college football essentially before anybody else, therefore they have the most all-time wins and some notable iconography/pageantry (the helmet, the fight song, etc.). Their last outright national title was 70 years ago. Their greatest coach was Bo Schembechler, who Michigan fans will describe to you as being Bear Bryant, Bobby Bowden, and Tom Osborne rolled into one. Schembechler never won a national title, went 2-8 in the Rose Bowl, and his most notable achievement was going 5-4-1 during the 10-year period in which he and Woody Hayes overlapped, even though Hayes was the far more accomplished coach overall. There is more mythmaking about Michigan than any other program, therefore that makes their fans the most obnoxious. Other fanbases have obnoxious fans - Ohio St, Alabama, etc., but at least they've won stuff.

Michigan has a great academic program. Their business and law programs re far more recognized than any in the SEC.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

It's Clemson. There's no "P" in it.

Oh thanks. I just spelled it the way I hear it.

 

[DC_Vol]

If I could like this post a million times, I would.

That would take a while. Assuming you clicked the button 5 times per second constantly with no sleep and no meals...we’re talking 138 days.

 

[RazzBury]

Harbaugh just isn't cut out for college football. He may be a great Xs and Os guy. He may be a great talent evaluator. But he has shown he is either unwilling or unable to do those extra little things that make college coaches truly successful. He is noticeably behind in recruiting. Combine that with how he has handled outbound transfers, and it really looks like he has trouble creating relationships with players. In the NFL it's easy, pay a guy enough and he's happy. In college, where you can't pay someone millions a year, you have to actually have meaningful interactions with them. It really looks like he won't/can't do that.

 

[Remy]

Michigan has a great academic program. Their business and law programs re far more recognized than any in the SEC.

I worked with several Michigan grads while in LA, one from their law school and one post grad MBA. They were both outworked by a Cat State Northridge grad and my best recall is they put their pants on one leg at a time. Want to impress me with academics? Stanford, Ivy League, Northwestern, Vandy, Tulane, military academies, and MIT along woth a host of small private schools, but state schools in the BIG10 aren't it based on my first hand experiences. What BiG10 state school grads ARE SUPER at is portraying themselves as being from a super duper brain palace that's actually just a state school.

 

[05_never_again]

Michigan has a great academic program. Their business and law programs re far more recognized than any in the SEC.

The problem is that Michiganders think it is on par with the Ivy League.

 

[Smallvol#1]

I worked with several Michigan grads while in LA, one from their law school and one post grad MBA. They were both outworked by a Cat State Northridge grad and my best recall is they put their pants on one leg at a time. Want to impress me with academics? Stanford, Ivy League, Northwestern, Vandy, Tulane, military academies, and MIT along woth a host of small private schools, but state schools in the BIG10 aren't it based on my first hand experiences. What BiG10 state school grads ARE SUPER at is portraying themselves as being from a super duper brain palace that's actually just a state school.

A lot of it is learning to learn and how to access the data. School name and GPA may be impressive but not necessarily important, or meaningful when it comes to on the job production. The guy with the 2.9 from a state university may out perform and out lead the 3.9 from a “name” school. On the job it’s all about what you do, and that is frequently determined by hard work, intelligence, being a team player, ability to work with and lead people, etc. I’ve seen it in play numerous times. It’s nice to say 'I went to xxxx” or “I had a ##.##”, but that only carries a person so far.

 

[05_never_again]

A lot of it is learning to learn and how to access the data. School name and GPA may be impressive but not necessarily important, or meaningful when it comes to on the job production. The guy with the 2.9 from a state university may out perform and out lead the 3.9 from a “name” school. On the job it’s all about what you do, and that is frequently determined by hard work, intelligence, being a team player, ability to work with and lead people, etc. I’ve seen it in play numerous times. It’s nice to say 'I went to xxxx” or “I had a ##.##”, but that only carries a person so far.

Once you get that first job, nobody really cares where you went to school. Everything after that is determined by how you perform on the job as you said. A lot of people who went to very prestigious schools don't realize that though.