1 in 5 federal employees make 100K or more

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Big government, isn't it wonderful. Sad that the country is in the shape it's in and these guys are living like fat cats, business as usual on the hill.
 
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state employees in california make 20% more than their private counterparts. and that doesn't take into account things like healthcare or their ridiculous pensions.
 
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volinbham said:
State employees in Alabama are worth every penny -- at least one I know is...
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OH NO, unbeknownst to me I've been conversing with a gummit man.

I've noticed several articles recently on this topic, one said the average annual salary in america is $40k, the average gummit salary is $70k.

Here is another; Dated today in USAToday.


Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

USA TODAY used Bureau of Labor Statistics data to compare salaries in every federal job that had a private-sector equivalent. For example, the federal government’s 57,000 registered nurses — working for the Veterans Administration and elsewhere — were paid an average of $74,460 a year, $10,680 more than the average for private-sector nurses.
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What is really alarming is the amount of new federal employees Obama is hiring or proposing to hire.

Another thing, Obama said no raise for retired people drawing SS because there was no inflation (yeah right) but they would all get the $250 stimulus check which would cover that.

Guess what? The senate voted (50-47) to not give the $250 checks, even though they have $500b left unspent in the stimulus fund. I guess that is all going to the Wall St fat cats.
 
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I applied for a job with the gub'mint, but they told me I was over-qualified due to the fact that my parents were married.
 
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I would say that these numbers could be a little clouded, at least where I work. There has been a change with the DOD as far as outsourcing. About two weeks after the new administration, there was a communication from G1(Army Deputy Chief of Staff for personnel) that pretty much stated that the government was wanting to limit outsourcing of personnel. This has caused(at least from my viewpoint) a huge increase in hirings, because those contractor jobs that were used for outsourcing, were now being hired in(at high pay bands) as government employees. Not saying that we arent overpaid and underworked, but that this outsourcing/insourcing policy change might have some influence on these numbers.
 
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There was a federal employee I knew in DC. She was a GS-14 (Pulled about $130k/year) and was completely under qualified. I won't say why... but guess how she got the job. She was about as lazy as anyone I've ever met and routinely came into work 2 hours late and left early (usually worked 20-25 hours/week). When she was supposed to be at executive meetings she'd just go to a shopping center, etc.

In contrast was a SES I knew that was probably one of the hardest working individuals I've ever known. Yeah, he raked in $200k/year, but he got no overtime and should have been making 7 figures due to his work and responsibilities.

You'll find contrasting folks just like these two examples all over the USG. Also, bear in mind almost 20% of all federal employees are in DC... which is an expensive city.
 
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DC Vol said:
There was a federal employee I knew in DC. She was a GS-14 (Pulled about $130k/year) and was completely under qualified. I won't say why... but guess how she got the job. She was about as lazy as anyone I've ever met and routinely came into work 2 hours late and left early (usually worked 20-25 hours/week). When she was supposed to be at executive meetings she'd just go to a shopping center, etc.

In contrast was a SES I knew that was probably one of the hardest working individuals I've ever known. Yeah, he raked in $200k/year, but he got no overtime and should have been making 7 figures due to his work and responsibilities.

You'll find contrasting folks just like these two examples all over the USG. Also, bear in mind almost 20% of all federal employees are in DC... which is an expensive city.
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This has really gotten bad here at HSV, especially with the BRAC. So many people are getting jobs that they are no were near qualified for, but these positions have to be filled and there arent people coming in like they thought from the BRAC bases.
 
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it's the pensions that no one seems to mention. 80% of our last years income in retirement is something no private industry offers.
 
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droski said:
it's the pensions that no one seems to mention. 80% of our last years income in retirement is something no private industry offers.
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Which is why working with the federal government is such has such a draw. Sure most of us could make more working as a contractor doing pretty much the same thing, but the fact that you have a slim chance of getting cut or fired and the retirement makes it an idea job for most.
 
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droski said:
it's the pensions that no one seems to mention. 80% of our last years income in retirement is something no private industry offers.
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Thought it started at 50% and went up 2% for each year over 20 TIS.
 
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BearCat204 said:
This has really gotten bad here at HSV, especially with the BRAC. So many people are getting jobs that they are no were near qualified for, but these positions have to be filled and there arent people coming in like they thought from the BRAC bases.
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Yeah, I'm one of the ones that came down. Don't work as gov civ though... I'm a lower tier than that.


The lowly contractor.
 
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DC Vol said:
Yeah, I'm one of the ones that came down. Don't work as gov civ though... I'm a lower tier than that.


The lowly contractor.
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Then you know that they grossly overestimated the amount of people that would flock to HSV lol
 
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BearCat204 said:
Then you know that they grossly overestimated the amount of people that would flock to HSV lol
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I have only been down in HSV for about a year now. All I know is there were plenty of houses... but the infrastructure is still lacking enormously.

"Lets cram thousands of houses on small lots and only give them 2-lane roads as access."

"Brilliant!"
 
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You can find individuals in any line of work, and in any capacity (private or public sector) that you think are overpaid or underpaid.

For whatever reason, people get all up in arms if they think a public sector employee makes too much, I suppose reasoning that since they are paid in tax dollars they have the moral authority to complain about it. In contrast, if a banker gets a $10 million bonus, despite the fact that the bonus is paid in part by the interest you pay on a mortgage or the $2 ATM fee, as soon as someone even tries to find out what the salary is you go ballistic and see it as a threat to your way of life.

Now, I fully realize the argument that you can always switch banks, but you can't switch the government. But that ignores that any bank you go to is going to charge you fairly the same (albeit in different ways). So my question is: if you have the right to complain about a government salary paid by tax dollars, why don't you have the right to complain about a bank salary if paid for by your monthly maintenance fees?
 
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