105 man rosters and how they will affect UT

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I think the new rules because of the antitrust case are gonna change football and college sports in general. Womens Basketball is the only sport not affected as its roster size stays at 15 men get 2 more spots. Baseball's scholly limit is almost tripled. But, for Football 105 actually means a smaller roster because it affects walkons. Its a hard 105 limit. Afaik currently you can have as many walkons, greyshirts as you want. for example this season Nebraska has 66 walk-ons 151 on roster. This would mean they'd have to cut 46 guys. UT's currently published roster is 123.

So in one way it means teams can have more on scholly but it also means less bodies. Those redshirts become scout teamers. Does it mean in bigger programs more development? In some ways it could lead to more talent being found because you're gonna be literally more invested in those last 20 guys. Does this mean the talent pool at lower levels gets diluted as more of them sign with FBS schools since now they can get schollies and bide their time? I think the positions hit hardest will be specialists. No more 3 long snappers and 4 kickers and more full-time starters returning kicks and punts. I think it will be interesting to see play out. This also will have a huge effect on NIL. No more ghost sponsorships. Spire does not do it a lot at all afaik but some schools do.. now that schools will directly pay athletes there is going to be a clearinghouse to monitor that all NIL deals are actually real sponsorships not just a bag of cash. I think because of spire UT is in a perfect position for this.

Another thing that I haven't heard many talk on is how this will affect Private schools and service academies. I think this possibly helps private schools be more competitive but it is not necessarily good for service academies. This new change means full scholarships become a reality. Most people are unaware that less than 1% of all schollies are full-ride they rarely cover all expenses and most college athletes end up with some amount of debt after graduating if its not covered by grants or otherwise. This new situation allows colleges to cover those gaps and its more important at private schools where costs are significantly higher. No Vandy will never be good at football but they might be able to not suck which is good for TN as a state IMHO and UT in general because wed have a legit instate mini rivalry instead of the one sided beatdown its always been.
 
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Nebraska may have 151 on their roster but only 120 can participate in spring/fall practice. The 120 # was bumped up from 110 in March of this year. Those extra guys probably get shuffled off the JV ball.

Current SEC rules below. Not sure if the105 changes these limits or not but to me these are the number that are most meaningful.

Home Team - The home team may dress all eligible student-athletes in uniform, but only 80 student-athletes may participate in a Conference contest. (The nonparticipating student-athletes shall dress out at no additional cost to the institution. Non-participating student-athletes shall not receive pre-game meals, overnight lodging or additional game tickets, but may receive a post-game meal provided the post-game meal is served at the stadium. No cash stipend may be provided to non-participating student-athletes for post-game meals away from the stadium.)

Visiting Team - The visiting team is limited to a travel squad size of 70 travel-eligible student-athletes. A student-athlete who has suffered a season ending injury and will no longer participate may travel without counting towards the visiting team’s limit.

Neutral Sites - The squad size limit for neutral site games (no more than one game annually) is 70 travel-eligible student-athletes for both participating teams. A student-athlete who has suffered a season ending injury and will no longer participate may travel without counting towards the participating team’s limit.

Junior Varsity - The squad size for junior varsity teams is 55 eligible student-athletes.
 
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Effect* (typo in the title)

I dislike that walk-ons will be removed. Rudy never would have been allowed to practice with the team if it would have cost the school.

Are all scholarships to be full scholarships?
 
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I think this rule is just gonna widen the gap between the best and the rest. It gives UGA, OSU, LSU and Bama even more opportunities to get even more high 4 and 5*.
 
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Effect* (typo in the title)

I dislike that walk-ons will be removed. Rudy never would have been allowed to practice with the team if it would have cost the school.

Are all scholarships to be full scholarships?
There are three critical roster changes that will come with the settlement when it's expected to go into effect during the 2025-26 academic calendar year:

  • The 85-scholarship cap is removed. Schools are now allowed to give out up to 105 football scholarships.
  • Football is now an equivalency sport – all sports will be under the new rules – and longer a head-count sport, meaning the school is no longer required to give full scholarships to each player receiving aid. That means football programs can split scholarships if they choose to, like you see in sports like baseball.
  • The 105 roster limit is firm, which will result in many programs having to greatly reduce their roster sizes while endangering a lot of walk-on programs.
 
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Nebraska may have 151 on their roster but only 120 can participate in spring/fall practice. The 120 # was bumped up from 110 in March of this year. Those extra guys probably get shuffled off the JV ball.

Current SEC rules below. Not sure if the105 changes these limits or not but to me these are the number that are most meaningful.

Home Team - The home team may dress all eligible student-athletes in uniform, but only 80 student-athletes may participate in a Conference contest. (The nonparticipating student-athletes shall dress out at no additional cost to the institution. Non-participating student-athletes shall not receive pre-game meals, overnight lodging or additional game tickets, but may receive a post-game meal provided the post-game meal is served at the stadium. No cash stipend may be provided to non-participating student-athletes for post-game meals away from the stadium.)

Visiting Team - The visiting team is limited to a travel squad size of 70 travel-eligible student-athletes. A student-athlete who has suffered a season ending injury and will no longer participate may travel without counting towards the visiting team’s limit.

Neutral Sites - The squad size limit for neutral site games (no more than one game annually) is 70 travel-eligible student-athletes for both participating teams. A student-athlete who has suffered a season ending injury and will no longer participate may travel without counting towards the participating team’s limit.

Junior Varsity - The squad size for junior varsity teams is 55 eligible student-athletes.
Who gives a damn about a meal? I mean, does it really matter who all you feed? Weird.
 
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I think the new rules because of the antitrust case are gonna change football and college sports in general. Womens Basketball is the only sport not affected as its roster size stays at 15 men get 2 more spots. Baseball's scholly limit is almost tripled. But, for Football 105 actually means a smaller roster because it affects walkons. Its a hard 105 limit. Afaik currently you can have as many walkons, greyshirts as you want. for example this season Nebraska has 66 walk-ons 151 on roster. This would mean they'd have to cut 46 guys. UT's currently published roster is 123.

So in one way it means teams can have more on scholly but it also means less bodies. Those redshirts become scout teamers. Does it mean in bigger programs more development? In some ways it could lead to more talent being found because you're gonna be literally more invested in those last 20 guys. Does this mean the talent pool at lower levels gets diluted as more of them sign with FBS schools since now they can get schollies and bide their time? I think the positions hit hardest will be specialists. No more 3 long snappers and 4 kickers and more full-time starters returning kicks and punts. I think it will be interesting to see play out. This also will have a huge effect on NIL. No more ghost sponsorships. Spire does not do it a lot at all afaik but some schools do.. now that schools will directly pay athletes there is going to be a clearinghouse to monitor that all NIL deals are actually real sponsorships not just a bag of cash. I think because of spire UT is in a perfect position for this.

Another thing that I haven't heard many talk on is how this will affect Private schools and service academies. I think this possibly helps private schools be more competitive but it is not necessarily good for service academies. This new change means full scholarships become a reality. Most people are unaware that less than 1% of all schollies are full-ride they rarely cover all expenses and most college athletes end up with some amount of debt after graduating if its not covered by grants or otherwise. This new situation allows colleges to cover those gaps and its more important at private schools where costs are significantly higher. No Vandy will never be good at football but they might be able to not suck which is good for TN as a state IMHO and UT in general because wed have a legit instate mini rivalry instead of the one sided beatdown its always been.

Service academies typical have more than that now. For example Army signed 73 players floor 2024.
 
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Effect* (typo in the title)

I dislike that walk-ons will be removed. Rudy never would have been allowed to practice with the team if it would have cost the school.

Are all scholarships to be full scholarships?
With NIL everyone is getting a scholarship of some sort!
 
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This might help FCS schools procure more talent.
My thought is ... the effect will likely be negligible at the FCS level initially. And the "superior" talent they do procure, will become a rental because the transfer portal will be open after one year. So overall ... not a huge gain, imho.
20 Scholarships is about a 1 million dollar bump* in the scholarship budget on just men's football. That will mean that a proportional increase on the women's side because of Title IX.
On the positive side, the FCS schools will now have access to the walk-ons that have a strong belief in themselves, but no longer have an offer at the highest level. But that does not necessarily mean those walk-ons are actually more talented than what the FCS teams are current recruiting.
Furthermore, will those FCS schools actually have the money to add 20 scholarships at ETSU (for example), I doubt that the FCS budgets will support adding 20 scholarships in football and a companion amount on the women's side of things.
But I might have missed something ... would love to hear someone argue the other side.
*That is not my calculation, it is someone else's number.
 
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My question is can we we take more than 25 commits if we want and just not sign scholarship papers until school year starts to be under the 105?
 
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The only way it wouldn't be a wash would be to increase the squad's size to, say, 13.

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My question is can we we take more than 25 commits if we want and just not sign scholarship papers until school year starts to be under the 105?
The 105 roster limit is effective 1 Jul 2025, that's if the settlement is approved. So we could take more but must first figure out who of the current non-scholarship guys will be offered scholarships next year then factor in who we lose to come to come up with a number.
 

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