'15 CA QB Sheriron Jones (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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Go gauge Chad Kelly's interest. Would make more sense to spread out the QBs a little. He's done well with Camion Patrick over at that Mississippi JUCO.
 
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I've not post much because honestly i don't bring much new information to the board, but i do read volnation daily. I have came to the conclusion that some people are vol fans to argue on the internet instead of being vol fans to watch them play on game day
 
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VolInDayton said:
I've not post much because honestly i don't bring much new information to the board, but i do read volnation daily. I have came to the conclusion that some people are vol fans to argue on the internet instead of being vol fans to watch them play on game day
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I like this. Post more often, Vol from Dayton.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I'll chime in on a couple points here.

Dormady just played his entire SR season.
Recover fully? I'm not sure what you're trying to point to there.
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Just possibilities that you all aren't considering. Sometimes people experience freak injuries that never recur. But often an injury is evidence of an innate weak point. Guys like Saulsberry, Downs, Martin, Hardesty, Wes Brown, Josh McNeil.... just had recurring knee injuries. Possibly they were born with knees that just naturally wouldn't hold up to the weight they had to carry or stress of playing football.

Even with the advances in sports medicine, some of these weaknesses cannot be fixed.

There will be consequences no matter what CBJ chooses to do. But this isn't some clear cut moral or ethical issue. You say what about the trust and loyalty to the kid... but I'd respond "What about his loyalty to the program and the other players? Doesn't he owe it to them to bring in the best teammates he can find?"

It would stink if one of these guys was twisted in a knot this late in the game... but it would be within the rules AND would not be something that hasn't happened or doesn't happen from time to time.

Jennings not being an SEC QB.
The kid was quoted as saying he would not consider schools that were not signing him to play QB. Obviously if CBJ did not see him as an SEC QB, he should not have taken his commitment.
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But you are diverging from the line of questioning. The other guy said that he should "trade up". I simply asked (because I don't know) who better than UT was recruiting him as a QB. Who would he trade up to to play QB and if he could "trade up".... why didn't he?

And frankly, is he a big enough recruit to dictate to his future coach where he will and will not play? How many guys get to college and change positions? Did C McDowell or JRM plan to move to LB? Maybe... I don't know... but the simple fact is that lots of guys end up playing something other than what they think they want.

OU had a former QB playing TE, didn't they? There have been some pretty good ones that made that switch. I think UF had one not long ago.

Tebow dictated that he was a QB and nothing else. As a TE or HB, he's probably still in the NFL and maybe a Pro Bowl type of player.
 
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sjt18 said:
Just possibilities that you all aren't considering. Sometimes people experience freak injuries that never recur. But often an injury is evidence of an innate weak point. Guys like Saulsberry, Downs, Martin, Hardesty, Wes Brown, Josh McNeil.... just had recurring knee injuries. Possibly they were born with knees that just naturally wouldn't hold up to the weight they had to carry or stress of playing football.

Even with the advances in sports medicine, some of these weaknesses cannot be fixed.

There will be consequences no matter what CBJ chooses to do. But this isn't some clear cut moral or ethical issue. You say what about the trust and loyalty to the kid... but I'd respond "What about his loyalty to the program and the other players? Doesn't he owe it to them to bring in the best teammates he can find?"

It would stink if one of these guys was twisted in a knot this late in the game... but it would be within the rules AND would not be something that hasn't happened or doesn't happen from time to time.

But you are diverging from the line of questioning. The other guy said that he should "trade up". I simply asked (because I don't know) who better than UT was recruiting him as a QB. Who would he trade up to to play QB and if he could "trade up".... why didn't he?

And frankly, is he a big enough recruit to dictate to his future coach where he will and will not play? How many guys get to college and change positions? Did C McDowell or JRM plan to move to LB? Maybe... I don't know... but the simple fact is that lots of guys end up playing something other than what they think they want.

OU had a former QB playing TE, didn't they? There have been some pretty good ones that made that switch. I think UF had one not long ago.

Tebow dictated that he was a QB and nothing else. As a TE or HB, he's probably still in the NFL and maybe a Pro Bowl type of player.
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Yes, players do at times switch positions. Yes, some are ok with it. Some in fact are not. Moving a S to LB, like in McDowell's situation? Pretty common and most kids would not buck that much if at all. Now QB to S when the kid has been quoted as saying he would only consider schools looking to sign him as a QB? Very, very different IMO. I get that fans will say screw him and make him play where you want him. My opinion is if he's not a QB in your eyes, honor his wishes and don't tell him he's a QB and take his commitment.

JMO
 
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What if you recruit the 2 qbs thinking that will be it because you'll have 2 returning qbs then the season plays out and it becomes apparent that only 1 returning qb is serviceable? Do you worry about fairness to the recruits or making sure the team is covered? Using some of this logic why are you not crying for the recruited qbs because they are recruiting 2? Only 1 can play. Recruiting 2 is no fair (blue font).
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yes, players do at times switch positions. Yes, some are ok with it. Some in fact are not. Moving a S to LB, like in McDowell's situation? Pretty common and most kids would not buck that much if at all. Now QB to S when the kid has been quoted as saying he would only consider schools looking to sign him as a QB? Very, very different IMO. I get that fans will say screw him and make him play where you want him. My opinion is if he's not a QB in your eyes, honor his wishes and don't tell him he's a QB and take his commitment.

JMO
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I don't think any of us are privy to what he has or has not been told by UT. Even if someone has a direct tie in to him... or even if someone here IS him... we'd only be getting one side of the story.

The only thing I remember reading about him and his college position is that Jones had agreed to try him at QB first.


I don't like the drama in the recruiting forum so I haven't kept up like I used to. In the football forum, we argue all the time... but in recruiting people vest too much into the decisions of 17 year old kids then turn on the recruit if that kid or a coach disappoints them. That said... I don't want the kid screwed but if it comes right down to it I'd rather see one kid disappointed than the rest of the team miss out on a teammate that might elevate the team to championship competition.

I've seen one partial game on TV for Jennings. He looked like a great athlete playing QB and not like a QB who was a great athlete. Honestly, he reminded me some of Munchie Legaux. Maybe he could be developed into a great SEC QB. Maybe... that's a reason to stick with the original plan for him and Dormady even if they were to somehow sign Jones. But he should be careful about limiting his options. Perhaps someone would let him be a QB... a middling QB who never sniffs the NFL. OR... maybe he switches positions somewhere like UT and gets a great big pay day in 5 years.


Either way... the only way I'd think Jones has done anything wrong is if he truly had not been honest with these guys. Even then, things change. They did not know a month ago that Jones would be available. UT's staff is hardly responsible for that.
 
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sjt18 said:
There are other important needs. UT cannot sign all three of these guys unless one of them is not going to be a QB.

Jennings appears to be the least polished of the 3 throwing the ball. Was anyone else at a Power 5 school recruiting him as a QB?
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Yes. Bama, tOSU, Auburn, Miss State, just to name a few.
 
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butchna said:
Focus on the "if" part Leb...you've already tarred and feathered him and all we have is crystal ball projections and us in his top 5. I've traditionally been in the same camp with you concerning not "recruiting over" or asking commits to look around, but this revisionist Riley Ferguson was wronged scenario coupled with this Sheriron Zapruder Tape breakdown paints you in a markedly different light.
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I love how LV keeps skipping over these posts. Then quotes the ones that help further his agenda and don't bust him out. The contradictions, double standards, and dreams that all is rainbows and sunshine is obvious. As I said before, he's not this stupid. He does it on purpose and has admitted it numerous times.

LV, all you had to do was wait till Dormady takes a visit then you can say it's ok to take an upgrade. Like you did with all the other recruits who may or may not have been recruited over and asked to visit yet you acted like you knew the situation.
Just a tip to help you further the charade.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Maybe to you it is wrong. The thing is though these players are the ones who deal with the coaches daily and know a lot more about what is going on vs your feelings as a fan and how that players should see things. As I said before the same fans who sit on this board and complain about transfers and such are the same ones who are all about "CBJ will drop as many as he needs to take a full class or more". IMO you can't have it both ways. The coaches can either does things the right way, or expect to have some heartache along the way.
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This is pure gold here! LOL! Pot meet kettle!

On the other note..... Everyone will complain when a good player transfers. Difference here is that under your sunshine and rainbow scenario, we would have no one behind that good player. The way its supposed to be is, you take as many as you can and the best win the spot with good depth behind them. Will it still suck to lose that good player? Sure, but players will leave and transfer either way. The best way (not saying you ever want someone to transfer) is for it to be because we had too much talent. Thats what is starting to happen and we should be glad to be getting back the way its supposed to be.
 
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If a top quality qb falls in our lap this late in the process, CBJ would be derelict in his job performance not to take him. Any orange-blooded fan who has seen video of Jones would be ecstatic if that kid signs a LOI with UT. Fini; end of story...no need to belabor the merits of having him in the fold.

Protests to the contrary are highly questionable, and point to somebody having an agenda outside the best interests of UT football.
 
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Another thing we could do in this supposed "negative" situation is wait to see if anybody says they were lied to in the end. Even if things have changed it can be done the right way. Because it does happen, intended or not. You can go to the player and explain what's happening and the player can stiil be upset but that's the right way. So until somebody comes out and says they were lied to, like often happens with Saban, there's nothing to worry about. Then again, nobody knows if there's anything to any of this to start with. Lol
 
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volinSmyrna said:
Yes. Bama, tOSU, Auburn, Miss State, just to name a few.
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MSU is not an upgrade.

So you are saying that Bama, tOSU, and Auburn have told him that they are only recruiting him to play QB for them?

Before answering that... consider that tOSU already has two QB commits with one of them being Gibson. They also have a Fr starter who will be hard to displace even if the other two QB's come back healthy. Alabama has a 5* QB commit who is rated the #1 dual threat in the US... and the #10 player overall according to Rivals. Auburn doesn't have a QB commit right now but they landed good ones in the past two years AND will continue to sign top QB recruits.

Frankly, I'm not sure that tOSU or Bama would take his commit... and Auburn would probably take it on basically the same terms UT supposedly did (QB first but then another position if he doesn't impress).

He is actually blessed in that he doesn't have to make it as a QB to have a very bright future in football.
 
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sjt18 said:
MSU is not an upgrade.

So you are saying that Bama, tOSU, and Auburn have told him that they are only recruiting him to play QB for them?

Before answering that... consider that tOSU already has two QB commits with one of them being Gibson. They also have a Fr starter who will be hard to displace even if the other two QB's come back healthy. Alabama has a 5* QB commit who is rated the #1 dual threat in the US... and the #10 player overall according to Rivals. Auburn doesn't have a QB commit right now but they landed good ones in the past two years AND will continue to sign top QB recruits.

Frankly, I'm not sure that tOSU or Bama would take his commit... and Auburn would probably take it on basically the same terms UT supposedly did (QB first but then another position if he doesn't impress).

He is actually blessed in that he doesn't have to make it as a QB to have a very bright future in football.
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That is exactly what I am saying, and I don't have to consider anything. All of those schools were most definietly recruiting him at QB.

What you need to consider is none of those other guys were committed when JJ pulled the trigger. His final 3 was UT, Auburn, Bama. He committed to us and other schools kept recruiting QB's. That's how the system works! Believe me, in April when he committed, all of those schools would have taken his commitment.
 
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Maybe.....just maybe, the coaches actually know what they are doing. Maybe there is something going on behind the scenes that us lowly folk aren't privy to. I have a sneaky suspicion that we don't know the full story. If we were trying to "secretly" slide a 3rd QB under the radar, then we have the worst recruiting staff EVER!!!!! Anything else is just speculation and conjecture. I know....those are the 2 things that make message boards pop! So go ahead and speculate how shady we are being, or lying or whatever.....I'll sit back and enjoy the ride.

Do you really think a coach (any coach, not just CBJ) would take the relationships built up over the course of almost 2 years recruiting these kids and just take a big steaming dump on them this publically by trying to do something "shady or sneaky"? Recruiting is messy, I get it. If we see in the next couple of weeks one of our QB's taking visits...that will tell us something. Or we might hear news of something else.....we don't know!
 
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I understand that this type of discussion is why we have message boards. However, this is getting a little silly.

Leb and the other random guy ranting in this thread, here are the 100% facts you have.

1. Dormady committed
2. Jennings committed.
3. Our staff visited Jones.
4. Someone crystal balled Jones to TN

You may be right in your ASSUMPTIONS but that is all they are at this point...assumptions. You may call it deductive reasoning...it is still at best an educated guess. It is unwise and somewhat irresponsible to be so dogmatic/inflammatory about something that is based on very limited information and assumption.
 
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This thread...

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