'15 CA QB Sheriron Jones (UT Signee 2/4/15)

[Dust10]

I can't decide if I want to give this thread the Gibson treatment and make it disappear. Right now I'm leaning towards yes.

 

[Maxwell]

Another thing we could do in this supposed "negative" situation is wait to see if anybody says they were lied to in the end. Even if things have changed it can be done the right way. Because it does happen, intended or not. You can go to the player and explain what's happening and the player can stiil be upset but that's the right way. So until somebody comes out and says they were lied to, like often happens with Saban, there's nothing to worry about. Then again, nobody knows if there's anything to any of this to start with. Lol

Exactly. Why are we trying to put the cart before the horse? If Jones commits at QB we have zero idea what, if any, fallout there will be. If NP is transferring ( he probably should if he wants to play ) then why not take 3 QB's ? Let the best one fight for 2nd string position and redshirt the other two. How would we be worse off ? Based on last years recruiting rankings we came in 5th to 7th in everyone's rankings. That's impressive. When I checked yesterday we were ranked 5th this year. CBJ's job is to bring in the best talent he can and then coach it up. It is not to settle for moderate talent and say maybe next year. Next year will not come for him if he does that. Whether we like it or not this is now a business. It is not the 60's or 70's when committing meant something both ways. The recruits can switch right up to signing day , so can the coaches. Signing the paperwork is where the true commitment begins. Let CBJ do his job. On signing day I suspect most of us will be very, very happy.

 

[UTFootballFan]

I understand that this type of discussion is why we have message boards. However, this is getting a little silly.

Leb and the other random guy ranting in this thread, here are the 100% facts you have.

1. Dormady committed
2. Jennings committed.
3. Our staff visited Jones.
4. Someone crystal balled Jones to TN

You may be right in your ASSUMPTIONS but that is all they are at this point...assumptions. You may call it deductive reasoning...it is still at best an educated guess. It is unwise and somewhat irresponsible to be so dogmatic/inflammatory about something that is based on very limited information and assumption.

You are right. I apologize. Everyone else on here is speaking strictly based on facts with supporting cites.

What I do know, Jennings and Dormady were both told they are the only qb commits that were to be sought and signed this season if they committed to UT. Now, it has been confirmed a UT coach has visited with a guy that had turned UT down and that guy has now decommitted from UF and says UT is his lead choice at the moment.

People challenged me on what I know. I provided links to the information that supported my thoughts and spelled out where my info was coming from, a Vol friend that is stationed in the area that has been to numerous games and practices and has gotten to know folks directly involved. I do not know what else I can do or say that would make some of you understand I am not just speculating or assuming.

I find it interesting that people that are speculating and assuming themselves are attacking me for speculating and assuming when I've provided backup and they haven't. I also find it funny how a couple on here have absolutely nothing worthwhile to contribute just hang around to stir the pot.

I'll leave it up to all you insiders and experts now. I should have done this sooner but got caught up in the crap. I'll just sit back and watch it play out and hope it works out best for all involved.

Again, I argued with idiots and now I am perceived an idiot. That's my bad. No one else to blame but me.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You are right. I apologize. Everyone else on here is speaking strictly based on facts with supporting cites.

What I do know, Jennings and Dormady were both told they are the only qb commits that were to be sought and signed this season if they committed to UT. Now, it has been confirmed a UT coach has visited with a guy that had turned UT down and that guy has now decommitted from UF and says UT is his lead choice at the moment.

People challenged me on what I know. I provided links to the information that supported my thoughts and spelled out where my info was coming from, a Vol friend that is stationed in the area that has been to numerous games and practices and has gotten to know folks directly involved. I do not know what else I can do or say that would make some of you understand I am not just speculating or assuming.

I find it interesting that people that are speculating and assuming themselves are attacking me for speculating and assuming when I've provided backup and they haven't. I also find it funny how a couple on here have absolutely nothing worthwhile to contribute just hang around to stir the pot.

I'll leave it up to all you insiders and experts now. I should have done this sooner but got caught up in the crap. I'll just sit back and watch it play out and hope it works out best for all involved.

Again, I argued with idiots and now I am perceived an idiot. That's my bad. No one else to blame but me.

The problem here is you are jumping to conclusions with nothing to back it up. You chose to believe Butch is a liar and a cheat instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt that he may be handling this above board with both QD and JJ. If you reserved your judgment until more facts came out, you might be better received.

And, just because many don't share your views doesn't make them idiots.

 

[DaddyChad]

MSU is not an upgrade.

So you are saying that Bama, tOSU, and Auburn have told him that they are only recruiting him to play QB for them?

Before answering that... consider that tOSU already has two QB commits with one of them being Gibson. They also have a Fr starter who will be hard to displace even if the other two QB's come back healthy. Alabama has a 5* QB commit who is rated the #1 dual threat in the US... and the #10 player overall according to Rivals. Auburn doesn't have a QB commit right now but they landed good ones in the past two years AND will continue to sign top QB recruits.

Frankly, I'm not sure that tOSU or Bama would take his commit... and Auburn would probably take it on basically the same terms UT supposedly did (QB first but then another position if he doesn't impress).

He is actually blessed in that he doesn't have to make it as a QB to have a very bright future in football.

And again I'm going to reiterate that none of these three IF we take three will find a better competition for being the starter. Jennings will get his shot and if he makes it he will be a QB. QB is the most important position on the field so if he is a good QB he will not be converted IF not he has tremendous upside at S. The kid wins no matter what.

 

[WarMachine]

Hey guys. Pleasant conversation you're having. A couple of thoughts to contribute...

1.) I think Butch is an excellent communicator and evaluator of talent. They rate player performances in practice and in games. I doubt Nate Pete is surprised that so far he has performed poorly at QB for Tennessee. I also doubt the evaluation of his performances haven't been clearly and openly communicated to him. (I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to make room.)

2.) For the same reasons (communication skills, evaluation skills), I think Butch has communicated the need for depth to his EE QBs. I tend to believe that Jennings and Dormady have already heard from Butch that we are in a tight spot from a depth perspective, and the 3rd QB helps prevent a key injury derailing his 3rd season.

I know there are lots of perceived negatives to this, but I think Butch comes across with a lot of integrity, and open communication about achieving the goal of winning makes this all plausible and attractive to me.

Most of these arguments are all very tired from the 2014 TG fiasco. Let's just see how this plays out...

 

[CWGvol]

Hey guys. Pleasant conversation you're having. A couple of thoughts to contribute...

1.) I think Butch is an excellent communicator and evaluator of talent. They rate player performances in practice and in games. I doubt Nate Pete is surprised that so far he has performed poorly at QB for Tennessee. I also doubt the evaluation of his performances haven't been clearly and openly communicated to him. (I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to make room.)

2.) For the same reasons (communication skills, evaluation skills), I think Butch has communicated the need for depth to his EE QBs. I tend to believe that Jennings and Dormady have already heard from Butch that we are in a tight spot from a depth perspective, and the 3rd QB helps prevent a key injury derailing his 3rd season.

I know there are lots of perceived negatives to this, but I think Butch comes across with a lot of integrity, and open communication about achieving the goal of winning makes this all plausible and attractive to me.

Most of these arguments are all very tired from the 2014 TG fiasco. Let's just see how this plays out...

Makes too much sense, plus they know this already. It's done on purpose.

Well put by the way.

 

[Ttucke11]

I'm all for us taking 3 RBs, but I do see the problem with taking 3 QBs especially with Kendall coming in next year. Not to mention the offer we have out to the Oden kid. Seems like a waste of scholly's or rather a logjam of scholly's that will be the same year. 1 of the 3 is guaranteed to transfer. Possibly 2.

 

[TheHound]

I happened to overhear a certain nobleman telling his servant that he knows someone who reportedly intercepted a raven that was carrying a message saying Sheriron of House Jones had DEcommitted from Florida and has Tennessee has his leader. jmo tifwiw #notaninsider #justgoodwithasword

 

[sjt18]

That is exactly what I am saying, and I don't have to consider anything. All of those schools were most definietly recruiting him at QB.

OK. I'll bite. How do you know that?

What you need to consider is none of those other guys were committed when JJ pulled the trigger. His final 3 was UT, Auburn, Bama. He committed to us and other schools kept recruiting QB's. That's how the system works! Believe me, in April when he committed, all of those schools would have taken his commitment.

That may be true and doesn't do a thing to prove that they were recruiting him as a QB.

Some of you have seen him more than I have. In the limited video I've seen, he looks like an athlete playing QB rather than an athletic QB. I was blessed years ago to see Heath Shuler play in HS. He was definitely a QB who was a great athlete. He could have played college as a WR, DB, or RB... he had that kind of athleticism. But he was definitely a QB.

And again... let's say that CBJ satisfied your sensibilities and those of a couple of others here and stops pursuing Jones. Then let's say that neither of the others work out. Or... let's say Jones goes on to be another Cam Newton type of player. Will you still feel all good and morally superior?

There are costs to whatever decision is made.... and benefits. There's nothing against the rules or immoral here. It is amoral... it is a business transaction. Let's say you apply for one of two open positions at a good paying company and everything from their side is very positive with them fully intending on hiring you. But then let's say that a last moment applicant just blows you out of the water.... you probably aren't getting the job if they can't hire both of you. Similar situation here.

At some point, maybe the NCAA will allow for an August or September signing date for EE's. To me that would make a lot of sense for both the school and recruit. But until then there will be opportunity for conflict between not disappointing a recruit and doing what is best for the program.


PS- some of the departures or potential departures may very well leave the door open for signing all three. We pretty much know if that happens all three will not remain QB's at UT... but it would enable UT to let them play into their position on the roster.

 

[butchna]

I'm all for us taking 3 RBs, but I do see the problem with taking 3 QBs especially with Kendall coming in next year. Not to mention the offer we have out to the Oden kid. Seems like a waste of scholly's or rather a logjam of scholly's that will be the same year. 1 of the 3 is guaranteed to transfer. Possibly 2.

Thousands of examples to choose from, but I'll settle for a recent one. Jake Heaps was regarded by some as the top QB in the 2010 class...picked BYU...started by midseason...played very well and had a bright future. Two transfers later he probably has enough alumni connections to land a well paying jobs...I think he was the only QB in his class.

 

[sjt18]

And again I'm going to reiterate that none of these three IF we take three will find a better competition for being the starter. Jennings will get his shot and if he makes it he will be a QB. QB is the most important position on the field so if he is a good QB he will not be converted IF not he has tremendous upside at S. The kid wins no matter what.

He does... unless he doesn't make it at QB and doesn't want to accept it. Then he'll still end up saying that UT screwed him.

 

[Ttucke11]

Thousands of examples to choose from, but I'll settle for a recent one. Jake Heaps was regarded by some as the top QB in the 2010 class...picked BYU...started by midseason...played very well and had a bright future. Two transfers later he probably has enough alumni connections to land a well paying jobs...I think he was the only QB in his class.

I'm not sure what point you were trying to prove to me. That 1 QB isn't enough? I agree. 2 is cool, let them duke it out and eventually redshirting could allow both to play as starters at some point in their career. 3 in one class though? Eh. Think it's a waste, we have other needs.

 

[utvolmaniac]

I'm all for us taking 3 RBs, but I do see the problem with taking 3 QBs especially with Kendall coming in next year. Not to mention the offer we have out to the Oden kid. Seems like a waste of scholly's or rather a logjam of scholly's that will be the same year. 1 of the 3 is guaranteed to transfer. Possibly 2.

One of the four teams in the FBS playoffs seems to think having 3 quality QB's on its roster is a good thing. They likely have a 4th QB...one to back-up the 3rd.

I, like many, think JJ will be given a shot at QB...but very well could end up on the D. And, there is plenty of speculation that Peterman may transfer. None of us know how that will play out...so, bring in 3 and let the best man win the job.

Kendall is not in for next year, and by 2016 the JJ/Peterman issues may have played themselves out.

In Butch I trust.

 

[butchna]

I'm not sure what point you were trying to prove to me. That 1 QB isn't enough? I agree. 2 is cool, let them duke it out and eventually redshirting could allow both to play as starters at some point in their career. 3 in one class though? Eh. Think it's a waste, we have other needs.

Saying recruiting scared doesn't work...you try to engineer a perfect environment and they still transfer if everything's not perfect.

 

[volinSmyrna]

OK. I'll bite. How do you know that?


That may be true and doesn't do a thing to prove that they were recruiting him as a QB.


Some of you have seen him more than I have. In the limited video I've seen, he looks like an athlete playing QB rather than an athletic QB. I was blessed years ago to see Heath Shuler play in HS. He was definitely a QB who was a great athlete. He could have played college as a WR, DB, or RB... he had that kind of athleticism. But he was definitely a QB.

And again... let's say that CBJ satisfied your sensibilities and those of a couple of others here and stops pursuing Jones. Then let's say that neither of the others work out. Or... let's say Jones goes on to be another Cam Newton type of player. Will you still feel all good and morally superior?

There are costs to whatever decision is made.... and benefits. There's nothing against the rules or immoral here. It is amoral... it is a business transaction. Let's say you apply for one of two open positions at a good paying company and everything from their side is very positive with them fully intending on hiring you. But then let's say that a last moment applicant just blows you out of the water.... you probably aren't getting the job if they can't hire both of you. Similar situation here.

At some point, maybe the NCAA will allow for an August or September signing date for EE's. To me that would make a lot of sense for both the school and recruit. But until then there will be opportunity for conflict between not disappointing a recruit and doing what is best for the program.


PS- some of the departures or potential departures may very well leave the door open for signing all three. We pretty much know if that happens all three will not remain QB's at UT... but it would enable UT to let them play into their position on the roster.

There are 2,000+ posts in his thread where it has been discussed over and over, and honestly I don't have the energy to go through all of them and find the links again.....maybe later.

Edit: Found one pretty quick. Alabama, Auburn among finalists for 4-star quarterback Jauan Jennings | AL.com


Time out. Please don't lump me in with those other crazies. I'm all for taking Jones if he'll fit numbers-wise. Honestly, if they were trying to squeeze JJ out in order to sign Jones, I probably would feel differently. That doesn't seem to be the case. I still think there is something behind the scenes that nobody knows about going on. From all I have tried to run down, there is nothing new from the JJ recruitment. That could lead me to think that something happened elsewhere, but that would be pure speculation. If we sign all 3, and they all 3 show up on campus, I have no problem with it.

 

[ionaVOL]

So we should just stack talent as much as we possibly can??

Craziness!!

Of course. :crazy:

Why oh why is it so hard for some people to grasp this concept. Honestly why do people seem to care so much if players might end up transferring down the line? We have NO ONE on campus after Dobbs (Sorry Nate) take all three this year and your odds increase that at least one turns out to be good enough to rely on. If one or two have to transfer out because they can't make it, why should we as fans get worked up over it now?

 

[Nashvegas31]

i think the kid signs with Ole Miss even though he said TN leads. Ole Miss is a new offer in the past week leading up to his recruitment. I haven't looked at their QB commits but i know based on on the field and current roster they need a QB bad and will prob push more than us

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

i think the kid signs with Ole Miss even though he said TN leads. Ole Miss is a new offer in the past week leading up to his recruitment. I haven't looked at their QB commits but i know based on on the field and current roster they need a QB bad and will prob push more than us

I saw around the time he de-committed, he got a CB to Ole Miss. Then Chad Kelly got one to Ole Miss as well. Not sure if one would affect the other either way, but it could.

 

[VolsnCards5]

If we can take 25, I just want the best 25 we can get. I do not give one single **** about loyalty. You guys can ***** and moan about all you want. Jones is paid $3.6 million a year to win. In today's college football climate, you have to be ruthless to win. I want my head coach to be ruthless...in recruiting, in personelle decisions, in coaching. That is his job, all the coaches job. If you can't get with that, go follow cross-country or rhythmic gymnastics.

GBO

 

[NO SIR EEE]

Sheriron Jones has withdrawn his verbal from Florida and says that Tennessee is number one on his list. I am excited for this guy if he chooses Tennessee, he is an excellent dual threat qb and would work fine in this system. Hopefully, come February he'll be signing his name to come to Good Ol Rocky Top.

 

[RollerVol]

Sheriron Jones has withdrawn his verbal from Florida and says that Tennessee is number one on his list. I am excited for this guy if he chooses Tennessee, he is an excellent dual threat qb and would work fine in this system. Hopefully, come February he'll be signing his name to come to Good Ol Rocky Top.

Four star dual threat QB. His film looks pretty good.
If he signs with us it's gonna get very interesting up in here. :crazy:

GO VOLS!

 

[ile3000gt]

Ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy Hyams!

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Jimmy, is that you?

 

[Dooby15]

Even though this kid seems to be a better prospect and fit for our system, Butch should just ignore this kid's interest since we already have 2 other QB's committed who are early enrolled. Getting the best players is not the most important thing in recruiting.

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