'15 CA QB Sheriron Jones (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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VOLorNuttin said:
That's just blind optimism = fanboy talk.

You haven't even seen him play a single snap in the SEC, and yet you make such an uninformed claim. Dobbs will be way ahead of Dormady and Jennings, and we already know that Butch leans heavily on experience over raw potential.

We don't want true freshmen having to start in the SEC, unless we have a critical need and they are just on a totally different level than everyone else. Kyle Allen was the No.1 QB recruit this past year, and when he got to start for TAM, he wasn't all that impressive. He showed he had a long way to go before he was truly ready for the SEC gauntlet.
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Hey son I didn't say I wanted Dormady to start or that he would. I have stated several times that in an ideal world Dobbs becomes consistent and we won't have to start a TR FR over Dobbs. Dobb's developing and playing well would be the best thing for everyone. But so far he hasn't shown he can do it consistently. With Peterman pretty much gone we will have a TR FR as a backup unless we get a transfer. And no Butch has shown he will start whoever is practicing better and gives the team the best chance to win. He has started quite a few FR over guys who have been in the program longer. Hurd, Wolf, North, Malone, Robertson, Mosely, Johnson, Barnett, , Wharton started against Vandy and had guys healthy that have played a lot more and even Medley at K. So that is not correct he will play the guy that is playing better and gives us the best chance to win. But one last time for you no Dormady starting next yr would not be ideal unless he just simply catches on and outplays Dobbs. And with us getting into our backups with QB injuries the chances are good a FR QB plays next yr unless a guy transfers in.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Apparently you don't read everything or just Cant process things. I said he has looked really good at times..SCar, Ala and UK game. But his last 22 games he has shown how bad and inconsistent he also can be. Was very inaccurate the last 2 games, didn't make good decisions and was turnover prone. Hope I made this easier for you to understand. If not I can try to dumb myself down for the newbie!
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Dobbs has not played in 22 games. But don't dumb yourself down.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I definitely agree and with Dormady being here and spending time with his soon to be teammates, going to area hospitals to see sick kids with them shows me how hungry he is. Truely expect Dormady to push Dobbs for the starting job next season. And no I'm not saying Dormady will start or that he should. But don't think he will just sit back and just shoot and be content on being the back up. Hopefully Dobbs learns consistency and can lead this team to great things the next two seasons. But if he continues to show the lack of it into spring and fall practice and Dormady somehow outplays him we have seen Butch not hesitate to make a QB change. Dormady is more polished as a QB right now than Jennings so I would expect them to try and RS Jennings. But the way our QB's have gone down or lacked consistency the last 2 yrs who knows who the starter is by midseason next yr. With Peterman graduating It sounds like he won't be around after the bowl game and unless we get a transfer in that has graduated and can play immediately we will have 2, possibly 3 true freshman then Dobbs. Not an ideal situation at all.
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I agree that Dobbs needs more consistency. I think the OL was part of the problem this year. If the OL improves I think Dobbs will look much better next year. Taking 3 QB's just makes tons of sense if NP is transferring. The last 2 years are proof enough we need more depth and more talent to choose from. You make one or two of the frosh the backups and redshirt at least one of them. And I think at least one of the freshmen will push Dobbs to be better next year. I have to admit that with our OL issues I probably would not be as eager to take 3 QB's this cycle if JJ was not such a great prospect at safety. I'm sure he will get a legit shot at QB but it will still be real tempting to move him to safety later.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
That's just blind optimism = fanboy talk.

You haven't even seen him play a single snap in the SEC, and yet you make such an uninformed claim. Dobbs will be way ahead of Dormady and Jennings, and we already know that Butch leans heavily on experience over raw potential.

We don't want true freshmen having to start in the SEC, unless we have a critical need and they are just on a totally different level than everyone else. Kyle Allen was the No.1 QB recruit this past year, and when he got to start for TAM, he wasn't all that impressive. He showed he had a long way to go before he was truly ready for the SEC gauntlet.
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One of the freshmen will probably start a game or two, at least, based on our QB injury rate these last two years. No one wants to start a freshman. Sometimes you have to though.
 
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butchna said:
I put it in the same vein as Jancek...somehow what he was doing worked when he had two 10+ sack pass rushers on the field. :idea:
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:thud:

So you think having CP going against an outflanked bubble screen would still probably work? That's original and is getting a lot of practice. Is that what you are saying? Go find another CP. You and Jake will be happy then.

Until they throw between the hashmarks effectively, the outside stuff will never work well. The opposing DC's have a little say in what happens.
 
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Vols4us said:
:thud:

So you think having CP going against an outflanked bubble screen would still probably work? That's original and is getting a lot of practice. Is that what you are saying? Go find another CP. You and Jake will be happy then.

Until they throw between the hashmarks effectively, the outside stuff will never work well. The opposing DC's have a little say in what happens.
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I'm sorry...and I mean that...BUT WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? :huh:

Talent makes schemes work...it's not reinventing the wheel...it's using the one that's already been invented.
 
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Maxwell said:
I agree that Dobbs needs more consistency. I think the OL was part of the problem this year. If the OL improves I think Dobbs will look much better next year. Taking 3 QB's just makes tons of sense if NP is transferring. The last 2 years are proof enough we need more depth and more talent to choose from. You make one or two of the frosh the backups and redshirt at least one of them. And I think at least one of the freshmen will push Dobbs to be better next year. I have to admit that with our OL issues I probably would not be as eager to take 3 QB's this cycle if JJ was not such a great prospect at safety. I'm sure he will get a legit shot at QB but it will still be real tempting to move him to safety later.
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I agree the Oline needs a lot of wotk but outside of Crowder it was the oline that he had when he played well against Ala, SC and Kentucky. But Mizzou figured out how to scheme what they were doing and Dobbs and Bajakian didn't make adjustments that good OC and players do. Mizzou didn't concern me as.much because of their DLine but Vandy did. That was the worst D in the SEC and one of the worse in the country. There is no way we should have struggled offensively against Vandy even with Hurd, Crowder and North out. You cant convince me that Temple and Umass had better offensive players than UT who both put up more points and yards and temple beat them by 30. Even Charleston Southern put up 20 pts, had 390 yards and Lost to Vandy by 1. The Oline and missing Hurd and North who hasn't been a factor because of knjuries most of the yr anyway. We had plenty of capable WR's including two of our top three based off yards plus Wolf, Johnson, Malone, Ellis and Lane who played well. Dobbs took sacks he hadn't been taking, couldn't hit much of anything outside of swing passes and Vandy's defensive players. I hope Dobbs has a career game against Iowa and shows Mizzou and especially Vandy aren't what we are gonna get out of him now that teams know how to scheme for him. Never was a knock on Dobbs but if any fan can honestly say they don't have concerns about him and the possibility of Dobbs and two or three TR FR QB's as our QB depth then they are lying..Nobody knows yet if Jenning's is even capable of playing QB and if Dormady will have more shoulder issues. That's why I believe they are either going after a third QB, finding a transfer who can play immediately or a Juco guy. Based on our history with QB injuries the likelihood of one guy getting through the season isn't good, especially if the Oline doesn't improve.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I definitely agree and with Dormady being here and spending time with his soon to be teammates, going to area hospitals to see sick kids with them shows me how hungry he is. Truely expect Dormady to push Dobbs for the starting job next season. And no I'm not saying Dormady will start or that he should. But don't think he will just sit back and just shoot and be content on being the back up. Hopefully Dobbs learns consistency and can lead this team to great things the next two seasons. But if he continues to show the lack of it into spring and fall practice and Dormady somehow outplays him we have seen Butch not hesitate to make a QB change. Dormady is more polished as a QB right now than Jennings so I would expect them to try and RS Jennings. But the way our QB's have gone down or lacked consistency the last 2 yrs who knows who the starter is by midseason next yr. With Peterman graduating It sounds like he won't be around after the bowl game and unless we get a transfer in that has graduated and can play immediately we will have 2, possibly 3 true freshman then Dobbs. Not an ideal situation at all.
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Dormady is a elite pocket passing QB, not knocking him but we have proved a pocket passer does not fit this system you got to have the threat of the run from the QB, and from the highlights I have seen, he is not a dual QB.:unsure:Now if you tweet the system then he might be able to run a Offence, if you take the threat of the run from the QB in this system it wont work.
 
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Jennings has proved he can play qb just as much as Dormady. Neither has taken a college snap. There is no way either starts over Dobbs. In the event of injury one would play but that is about it.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Dormady is a elite pocket passing QB, not knocking him but we have proved a pocket passer does not fit this system you got to have the threat of the run from the QB, and from the highlights I have seen, he is not a dual QB.:unsure:Now if you tweet the system then he might be able to run a Offence, if you take the threat of the run from the QB in this system it wont work.
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No, all we proved is that a stationary QB, with no pocket awareness and with an average arm, and taking snaps behind an inexperienced OL, does not fit this system. Dormady is not DT QB, to be sure, but he can run when needed. He had 65 rushes for 261 yards this season, with rushing TDs.
 
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Maxwell said:
One of the freshmen will probably start a game or two, at least, based on our QB injury rate these last two years. No one wants to start a freshman. Sometimes you have to though.
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Agreed and that was exactly my point. Dobbs took some vicious hits that he had no business taking where he could have gotten down instead of looking for contact. It's not like he is Tebow's or Prescott's size that are much bigger built and can take a little more abuse that Dobbs smaller frame. Too many posters are too sensitive about Dobbs for some reason. When I even mention the possibility of him not playing all next yr you would think I insulted their wife or mom and that I want a true freshman to start. Nobody knows what a HS kid can do till they get on campus. Last 2 yrs nobody expected that we got down to the third or fourth string QB but it's happened both yrs. And I'm sorry but if Dobbs inconsistency doesn't atleast cause concern about if he will play better or fall in line with other QB's since Casey that gave us hope but for the most part never gave us confidence that they could do it game in and out. No a FR QB is never desirable but it's not like we haven't had much of that the last 15-20 yrs. Peyton, Casey, Ainge, Bray all started their FR yrs and for the most part started most of the games after that. But Josh getting consistent and playing well his last 2 yrs is what we need so Dormady, Jennings, and anyoneI else they bring in plus Kendall in 2016 can be slowly brought along. But unless we get a transfer or juco a true freshman will at the very least back up Dobds and will have to play and be prepared to start at any given moment with injuries that can happen.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Agreed and that was exactly my point. Dobbs took some vicious hits that he had no business taking where he could have gotten down instead of looking for contact. It's not like he is Tebow's or Prescott's size that are much bigger built and can take a little more abuse that Dobbs smaller frame. Too many posters are too sensitive about Dobbs for some reason. When I even mention the possibility of him not playing all next yr you would think I insulted their wife or mom and that I want a true freshman to start. Nobody knows what a HS kid can do till they get on campus. Last 2 yrs nobody expected that we got down to the third or fourth string QB but it's happened both yrs. And I'm sorry but if Dobbs inconsistency doesn't atleast cause concern about if he will play better or fall in line with other QB's since Casey that gave us hope but for the most part never gave us confidence that they could do it game in and out. No a FR QB is never desirable but it's not like we haven't had much of that the last 15-20 yrs. Peyton, Casey, Ainge, Bray all started their FR yrs and for the most part started most of the games after that. But Josh getting consistent and playing well his last 2 yrs is what we need so Dormady, Jennings, and anyoneI else they bring in plus Kendall in 2016 can be slowly brought along. But unless we get a transfer or juco a true freshman will at the very least back up Dobds and will have to play and be prepared to start at any given moment with injuries that can happen.
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Yeah. I will be shocked if we have a year that is injury free for the QB. Some on here do get upset if you insult Dobbs. I think he has been inconsistent at times but improved greatly over last year. He seems to be intelligent and a hard worker so I expect a little more improvement next year. I just think if the line improves any next year that it will give the receivers more time to get open and run deeper routes. It helps the whole offense if that happens.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Dormady is a elite pocket passing QB, not knocking him but we have proved a pocket passer does not fit this system you got to have the threat of the run from the QB, and from the highlights I have seen, he is not a dual QB.:unsure:Now if you tweet the system then he might be able to run a Offence, if you take the threat of the run from the QB in this system it wont work.
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Dormady almost averaged as many rushing yards his SR yr that Dobbs did. Dobbs was labeled a Prostyle QB and averaged 38 rushing yards a game. I'm willing to bet if he didn't fit the system he wouldn't be a commitment. Dormady has plenty of mobility and runs a 4.15 shuttle so he isn't slow nor will he be a statue. He isn't Worley, Peyton, Brady as far as very little mobility. Dormady is plenty fast and has mobility. I guarantee Butch doesn't want his QB keeping it 10-15 times a game. QB's in this league take enough hits without adding a lot more abuse to their bodies. But if anyone thinks Dormady can't run or run this offense effectively then all I can say is just wait and see. Will he be a good QB? Who knows. Nobody knows how any guy will be till they get on campus. But based off everything I have seen and read about Dormady leads me to believe he will do well. And if the Coach's didn't think so or didn't think he couldn't run the offense the way it was supposed to be there is no chance he would be here.
 
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When we get the offense where CBJ wants it to be I think we will see 5 to 8 QB runs a game. Just enough to give the defense something else to game plan.
 
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k-town_king said:
Jennings has proved he can play qb just as much as Dormady. Neither has taken a college snap. There is no way either starts over Dobbs. In the event of injury one would play but that is about it.
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I wouldn't go that far. Dormady has played QB a lot more than Jennings has and is a more polished QB right now. Jennings could turn out to be a great QB but right now as far as being a pure QB that can throw, read defenses, be a leader that you only learn by playing that position for awhile Dormady is further along. But you're right neither has taken a colllege snap, class, had a first college practice rep or anything else. But unfortunately we have had to play a lot of guys before they were ready and have had a lot of FR QB's take snaps and start at some point. Peyton, Stewart, C.Clausen James Banks, Ainge, Schaeffer, Crompton, Worley and Dobbs. So the likelihood of another one playing next season at some point is pretty close to a given.
 
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Maxwell said:
Yeah. I will be shocked if we have a year that is injury free for the QB. Some on here do get upset if you insult Dobbs. I think he has been inconsistent at times but improved greatly over last year. He seems to be intelligent and a hard worker so I expect a little more improvement next year. I just think if the line improves any next year that it will give the receivers more time to get open and run deeper routes. It helps the whole offense if that happens.
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I absolutely agree about the Oline. It will help the run game, give the QB time and take less hits. My concern is his accuracy. Based off practice reports he struggles with accuracy throwing against air and have seen struggles in games at times.Been plenty of times he had to throw sooner than he wanted but have been times he did have time and missed wide open guys badly. That's my biggest concern with Dobbs. If a QB isn't accurate then the probably of an interception goes up by a lot. But other times he has been accurate and they were dropped. So it's definitely a group effort. If a QB isn't accurate we have seen it affects how WR's efforts at times then when he is accurate and it gets dropped it can make a QB not trust his WR. Definitely a chain reaction and usually not a good one.
 
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Maxwell said:
When we get the offense where CBJ wants it to be I think we will see 5 to 8 QB runs a game. Just enough to give the defense something else to game plan.
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Definitely. No way a Coach wants the leader of his offense running as much as Dobbs did his first few games. There will be games like SC where it's open all night but in the SEC we won't see that very often and a QB running 15 times on top of other hits they take is asking for trouble. The size and speed of Safety's, LB's and Corners you gotta deal with when you take off would be concerning. There was several times Josh took vicious hits after taking off that he should never take. Those guys look to knock your a$$ out and eventually if you take enough of those they will. If he doesn't start sliding he won't get close to playing a full season.
 
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