'16 NJ QB Jarrett Guarantano (Vols commit 4/15/2015)

[cncchris33]

JG's already talked about the possibility of being a four year starter and ok'd a redshirt year.

I'm fine with that too if one or more of the other 3 demonstrate enough ability to handle the job in a pinch.

 

[AboveAllNations]

Way too early to tell who will succeed Josh especially considering we have only seen Dormady and JJ in a somewhat game setting. Jones and JG we haven't see yet.

I thinks it's safe to say JJ needs to switch positions. He needs to much time I'm a battle that time is of the essence. He is going to find himself too far behind at QB.

Dormady looks like a stud. jones apparently has this offseason. It will be a fun battle to watch this fall for backup.

JG is the most talented of them all but how long does it take him to learn the playbook and fix a few things touch wise. Does he pick it up in a redshirt year enough to beat out two really good QBs that will have been in program for 2 years versus his 1. That will be an intense battle that's for sure

I wouldn't write off Jennings so quickly. He's probably the most athletic of the 4 QBs (including Guarantano, who ran a respectable-but-not-amazing 4.65 40 this week), and he has plenty of time to become more comfortable as a passer before the starting position is up for grabs in 2017.

I know the other three guys all look great too, so our depth at QB is a fun problem to have. But you're absolutely wrong if you think Jennings doesn't have time to "catch up" to a high school kid who won't be on campus for another 6 months.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Lol, is that rating just for a single day or for the entire event?

Rivals will probably use that to drop him to a 5.6 3* now.

Entire event but it because of what happened yesterday. Hopefully he makes up for it today and settles down

 

[FrostyDawg]

Entire event but it because of what happened yesterday. Hopefully he makes up for it today and settles down

So what did happen
yesterday??

 

[Ertel]

damn did he throw left handed all day or something? how did he plummet like that? his body of work through the other days should have kept him at least in the top half

 

[LittleVol]

It is unlikely that Dormady holds off Jones much less Guarantano.

From what I can see, Jones has more touch than Guarantano. And Dormady has more touch than Jones.

Not to be a debbie downer, but JG look like he only throws at one speed. That's not a good recipe for high completion percentage. Luckily that flaw can be coached.

People make the mistake of thinking Dobbs is a runner vs Worely who was a passer, when in reality they were about even as passers. Worley wasn't setting the world on fire even when had time.

Dormady is no Jones/Jennings as a runner, but he can move the pocket and slide away from pressure while keeping his eyes downfield. His arm is accurate and strong.

Playing QB is about building an offensive chemistry and moving the chains and scoring points. How differently would the MIzzou game would have went had Dobbs completed more passes down field?? How about all the stalls in the 3rd quarter of the Bama game when we could have closed the gap had we converted 3rd down through the air.

Butch knows this and this is why he recruited Dormady.

When the box gets stacked the QB has to beat a team with his arm. Consistently.

I wold be remiss if I didn't mention Bjakian's crappy play calling in both of those game I mentioned. The QB run play was called way too often on 1st down.

 

[24/7vol]

I don't understand all the Dormady doubters. He has a very good arm that is accurate and with touch when needed. He is athletic despite what some people think and according to coaches has done a good job of learning the playbook. I think QD will do just fine.

 

[tim]

You are right. If he was not an athlete he would already be charged with the burden of proving his innocence. Funny how there are questions about whether college athletes should be charged or not when other students and citizens are charged first then let the chips fall where they may.

Link?

 

[tim]

I don't understand all the Dormady doubters. He has a very good arm that is accurate and with touch when needed. He is athletic despite what some people think and according to coaches has done a good job of learning the playbook. I think QD will do just fine.

Threw the best passes in the OW game and is already mastering the playbook. I think he's the 1st option after Dobbs atp.

 

[LittleVol]

I don't understand all the Dormady doubters. He has a very good arm that is accurate and with touch when needed. He is athletic despite what some people think and according to coaches has done a good job of learning the playbook. I think QD will do just fine.

A lot of them aren't. Some think Dormady will transfer. What I saw in the Orange and White game was that Dormady has put pressure on Dobbs to focus on his accuracy.

Dormady; had he signed with a school like Baylor, would be an All-American as a sophomore.

Sheiron Jones plays with a ton of confidence, but Dormady was born to be play QB at high level. Both will help UT win a lot of games. Gaurantano will not have to be our savior. He can wait and hone his skills. Dormady will be extremely hard to get off the field.

 

[Nashvegas31]

So what did happen
yesterday??

I think it was nerves and hard to get on same page with all new WRs and Defense thrown in the mix. He was overthrowing people trying to show everyone his arm too much. Nothing to be concerned about future wise. He will eventually learn touch. It's the other things he has you can't teach. He also can't show his legs in this environment. I think the coaches were just frustrated that he didn't take slot of things they taught early in the week into the game setting. They said it happens all the time though. Kids revert to themselves instead of playing within the system.

It doesn't look like he will get much chance today. He had 1 three and out series in game 1 and got yanked for Malik Henry who played the whole game. Today they said the 7 on 7 coaches can play who they want however much or little as they want to try and win the tourney.

 

[triad280]

Triad280, were you speaking figuratively or literally with respect to "50 mph fastballs from 10 yards away?" Has anyone clocked Guarantano with a radar gun in this event?

I remember one criticism that Gruden levied at Bray was the fact that, because of his strong arm, Bray appeared to exhibit the attitude that he could fit the ball into any window, no matter how small. That kind of gunslinger mentality (a la Favre) can contribute to excessive interceptions.

Sorry Rex, just now logging back in,'but I was speaking figuratively. They could've been 35 mph, but they were thrown too hard for the distance, but that is easily corrected with experience and coaching. He wasn't really trying to fit it in tight windows most of the time, just letting it rip. And they have to get rid of it in 3 seconds, so I'm sure he was rushing a little bit as well. I'm not putting a lot into this setting one way or the other. I saw him go through progressions well, he has a cannon for an arm and he also can't move around in this setting... I can't wait for him to get here, especially after Dilfer's comments about him

 

[eazyTD]

A lot of them aren't. Some think Dormady will transfer. What I saw in the Orange and White game was that Dormady has put pressure on Dobbs to focus on his accuracy.

Dormady; had he signed with a school like Baylor, would be an All-American as a sophomore.

Sheiron Jones plays with a ton of confidence, but Dormady was born to be play QB at high level. Both will help UT win a lot of games. Gaurantano will not have to be our savior. He can wait and hone his skills. Dormady will be extremely hard to get off the field.

I think Dormady will be a good QB, I'm just of the opinion that Jones and Guarantano will be better and they both fit our system better.

 

[LittleVol]

I think Dormady will be a good QB, I'm just of the opinion that Jones and Guarantano will be better and they both fit our system better.

I would have agreed with you just a few months ago. But the more I watch Dormady the more I think he pushes hard for playing time. Dobbs is one of the best QB's in the SEC right now. And the skill-set that he has really promotes our motion, read-option aspect of our offense. But we have to get those defenders out of the box. That happens with good play-calling in quick pass completions. Our Wr's have to win 1 on 1 bttles more often.

A couple of things on JG - who I have not forgotten is just an upcoming HS senior.
- throws at one speed. Defenses worth their salt can key on that and disrupt or offense pretty easily. He can be coached to have more touch and change-up throws from different platforms.
- Needs quicker feet in his drop. Ive see this in his tape and it's still an issue at The Opening event. Dormady has quicker feet than him in his drop back. This can be coached as well.

Outside of that, we have a big strong athletic QB that can really chew up yardage quickly- through the air and on the ground. Dude can probably throw it 70 yards. He's a phenom.

 

[butchna]

I think Dormady will be a good QB, I'm just of the opinion that Jones and Guarantano will be better and they both fit our system better.

Didn't know. "Our system" was so defined...been different types of QB running it during Butch's time at CMU, Cincy and here. Brendon Kay ran it better than Munchie Legaux FWIW.

 

[eazyTD]

Didn't know. "Our system" was so defined...been different types of QB running it during Butch's time at CMU, Cincy and here. Brendon Kay ran it better than Munchie Legaux FWIW.

I know. Butch's offense can be ran with different types of QB's but it's much more explosive when you insert a guy with a big arm that's also a huge threat to tuck it and go.


This suddenly feels like the Torrance Gibson thread haha.

 

[sjt18]

From what I can see, Jones has more touch than Guarantano. And Dormady has more touch than Jones.

You may have seen different recruiting clips than I did. JG's show quite a few passes that were thrown over the top and laid in. Jones looked to be a better passer than Dormady in every sense but not as good as JG.

I think all three have potential. There is more to being a QB than physical talent. But based on what I've seen, they would rank very clearly- JG, SJ, then QD in terms of physical ability to include passing.

Not to be a debbie downer, but JG look like he only throws at one speed. That's not a good recipe for high completion percentage. Luckily that flaw can be coached.

I was blessed to have seen Heath Shuler play in HS many moons ago. JG throws very similar and has similar arm strength IMO.

JG is showing off arm strength and probably needs to lighten up a bit. But he's also throwing the ball deeper than either Jones or Dormady can.

People make the mistake of thinking Dobbs is a runner vs Worely who was a passer, when in reality they were about even as passers. Worley wasn't setting the world on fire even when had time.

Worley was the better passer. He was more accurate on all throws. The staff trusted him to throw down field... they just couldn't give him time. Dobbs could make his own time but his occasional wildness kept them from giving him too many downfield throws. He had a high completion % but many of his throws were short and safe. Worley's potential was never reached in college. I think we saw a few glimpses like UGA but he just unfortunately came in at a bad time.

His arm is accurate and strong.

All three have accurate, strong arms. JG has the strongest arm.

Playing QB is about building an offensive chemistry and moving the chains and scoring points. How differently would the MIzzou game would have went had Dobbs completed more passes down field?? How about all the stalls in the 3rd quarter of the Bama game when we could have closed the gap had we converted 3rd down through the air.

Dobbs even with his elusiveness was sacked 6 times vs MU. Without Crowder, the OL took a major step backwards... Vandy even sacked him 3 times with Wiesman at C.

Crowder and AJ being out was probably the difference in the MU game last year. North being out didn't help either... and I believe Hurd and Lane may have been gimpy.

A tad unfair to have expected more from Dobbs in the Bama game than we got.

Butch knows this and this is why he recruited Dormady.

Jones knew that he had one returning QB and wanted strong competition from guys with great potential. Dormady may end up being "the guy". But he's not the most gifted passer of the 3... and he isn't 2nd either. That doesn't mean he's bad. He's good. The others just look better to me based on limited info.

When the box gets stacked the QB has to beat a team with his arm. Consistently.

True. And that's a good time to have a gun to fit balls into a small window... like Bray... like JG.

I don't think anyone would seriously question that JG looks to have the strongest arm, would they?

 

[sjt18]

I don't understand all the Dormady doubters. He has a very good arm that is accurate and with touch when needed. He is athletic despite what some people think and according to coaches has done a good job of learning the playbook. I think QD will do just fine.

It isn't doubt in him. He's a good talent. It is just a belief that of 3 very good potential QB's... he's 3rd in terms of physical talent.

 

[delfonic]

Are we already doing the backup QB thing we always do with Dormady? Good grief guys. This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[butchna]

I know. Butch's offense can be ran with different types of QB's but it's much more explosive when you insert a guy with a big arm that's also a huge threat to tuck it and go.


This suddenly feels like the Torrance Gibson thread haha.

I was obviously wrong on that.

I just don't think we have enough data to make your argument. Also, we don't KNOW what we have in any of these QBs. It's all speculation until we see how the offense performs behind them. FWIW I think JG will be special. Based on the same "facts " presently available. Not going to make conclusive statements until we can see a conclusion tho.

 

[eazyTD]

I was obviously wrong on that.

I just don't think we have enough data to make your argument. Also, we don't KNOW what we have in any of these QBs. It's all speculation until we see how the offense performs behind them. FWIW I think JG will be special. Based on the same "facts " presently available. Not going to make conclusive statements until we can see a conclusion tho.

I still think Gibson is going to turn into a baller for Urban. We did take a 3rd QB much to Leb's dismay haha 😉

I can agree with the second part. It's way too early in the game to predict what will happen but I've been a fan of S.Jones for a while and imo JG is the best dual threat QB in the country. No disrespect to Dormady intended.

 

[NashVOL93]

Apparently Jarrett got kinda pwnt in the 7-on. Overthrows, INTs, etc. I think he was just playing too tight personally, after scoring so high the first three days there has to be pressure to maintain that level.

 

[engineerVOL]

Apparently Jarrett got kinda pwnt in the 7-on. Overthrows, INTs, etc. I think he was just playing too tight personally, after scoring so high the first three days there has to be pressure to maintain that level.

That's okay, that's not football. None of this is. I'll reserve judgment for his senior season where he is playing with 11 of his own guys he actually knows the names of.

 

[triad280]

That's okay, that's not football. None of this is. I'll reserve judgment for his senior season where he is playing with 11 of his own guys he actually knows the names of.

Exactly...

 

[Wickman]

Jeff Driskel looked other worldly in the UA All-American game. We all see how that turned out