19 of 20 unethical conduct charges resulted in show cause

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Precedent indicates show-cause for Pearl - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN

A search of the NCAA’s legislative services database revealed 20 cases in the last two years in which a coach or athletics department staff member was charged, like Pearl, with unethical conduct.

In all but one of those cases, the individuals involved received at least a two-year show-cause penalty.

“Usually when you see something that involves a charge of unethical conduct it reads, ‘the former coach,’’’ a source familiar with NCAA investigations told ESPN.com.

The lone exception in those 20 cases involved the investigation of the University of Michigan’s football program. A graduate assistant implicated in the charges of excessive practices was charged with unethical conduct after he lied about his involvement to NCAA investigators.

However, the COI ultimately ruled against a show-cause in his case because “at the time of the hearing the former graduate assistant was no longer employed by the institution and was longer coaching, the committee determined not to impose a show-cause provision against him.’’

In the other 19 cases, some of the original charges were considerably more egregious than Pearl’s. Hefty impermissible benefits, academic fraud and participating in a fantasy league that constituted gambling were among the worst.

But the common denominator in every single case? A lie.
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My question is why does Hamilton continue to stick by him? After everything today, it just seems like the best PR move for the University would be to let Pearl go.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
My question is why does Hamilton continue to stick by him? After everything today, it just seems like the best PR move for the University would be to let Pearl go.
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Hamilton has an intense personal stake in keeping Pearl. His own personal resume starts looking pretty bad if Pearl exits in disgrace.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
My question is why does Hamilton continue to stick by him? After everything today, it just seems like the best PR move for the University would be to let Pearl go.
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Exactly. We should have fired him back in September to save some face. Now we need to fire Hammy & Pearl to have a shot to reduce the sanctions' effect.
 
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It's a good article. I think this quote at the end (from her NCAA source) sums up the situation nicely:

“This is the first time something like this has happened, so it’s hard to predict how this will finish.’’
 
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Orange Blazer said:
My question is why does Hamilton continue to stick by him? After everything today, it just seems like the best PR move for the University would be to let Pearl go.
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His firing of Pearl would be his last act as AD.
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I don't know after reading it does anyone else feel like the NCAA jumped in thinking they had a big fish to fry and then ended up grabbing all the guppies they could when they realized that wasnt the case. What I mean is in every other NCAA investigation when someone gets hit hard it is usually about extra benefits or cash paid or profit made. After I read all that, it basically boiled down to extra phone calls made and you fed a kid BBQ then lied to us. I mean really? I see all these posters talking about how he should be fired and I'm not saying what he did was right but it certainly wasn't the big bomb I expected. I certainly hope the NCAA doesn't try to set a precedent for something that really material wise isn't there. I get he lied to you but shouldn't penalties already dished out more than make up for that? I did find it interesting that in Hamilton's response he thanked the NCAA for their guidance. Did this guidance include what punishment would be sufficient? Time will tell but to dole out more punishment than what has been dealt seems a bit harsh compared to the overall allegations. The man has been punished and if he can fly straight then I say leave him alone.
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lateknight said:
I don't know after reading it does anyone else feel like the NCAA jumped in thinking they had a big fish to fry and then ended up grabbing all the guppies they could when they realized that wasnt the case. What I mean is in every other NCAA investigation when someone gets hit hard it is usually about extra benefits or cash paid or profit made. After I read all that, it basically boiled down to extra phone calls made and you fed a kid BBQ then lied to us. I mean really? I see all these posters talking about how he should be fired and I'm not saying what he did was right but it certainly wasn't the big bomb I expected. I certainly hope the NCAA doesn't try to set a precedent for something that really material wise isn't there. I get he lied to you but shouldn't penalties already dished out more than make up for that? I did find it interesting that in Hamilton's response he thanked the NCAA for their guidance. Did this guidance include what punishment would be sufficient? Time will tell but to dole out more punishment than what has been dealt seems a bit harsh compared to the overall allegations. The man has been punished and if he can fly straight then I say leave him alone.
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Nice, logical post and could be why there haven't been further replies in this thread. I agree with you and it's why I think Hammy has been doing a good job behind the scenes as speculated today. The 'AA is a joke and if they push too hard here, I think they risk hurting themselves in the long run. Also, why does everyone get their panties in a wad about lies? I mean, can we grow up a bit and realize it happens. It's so personal with some people.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
My question is why does Hamilton continue to stick by him? After everything today, it just seems like the best PR move for the University would be to let Pearl go.
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Why does everyone act like we learned something new today? We didn't.... it's the same stuff we knew months ago. Nothing has changed. If TN didn't fire him then, why fire him now?
 
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99bubble said:
Nice, logical post and could be why there haven't been further replies in this thread. I agree with you and it's why I think Hammy has been doing a good job behind the scenes as speculated today. The 'AA is a joke and if they push too hard here, I think they risk hurting themselves in the long run. Also, why does everyone get their panties in a wad about lies? I mean, can we grow up a bit and realize it happens. It's so personal with some people.
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well said... I'll copy and paste what i said in a thread i started on why TN won't fire Bruce Pearl bc it's relevant to what you said. We all lie... but i guess volnation is full of holy saints...who have never sinned

"The truth is there are fans that love bruce and those that hate him..... but neither can honestly deny the new heights he has taken TN basketball. No Bruce isn't the end all , be all for TN basketball. We can and would survive without him. But Bruce wins... and because of that - he stays. I'm tired of all the haters saying that winning doesn't matter and that his actions are irreputable. We live in the bible belt, so I'll quote some scripture for you... John 8:7. " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". We've all lied at many points in our own lives. We have covered things up, hidden the facts, hoped and prayed that noone found out what we had said or done. So cut the guy some slack. Forgive and move on.. and be thankful that for the first time since Ernie and Bernie, TN is no longer a nobody in college basketball."
 
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Volstylexx said:
Why does everyone act like we learned something new today? We didn't.... it's the same stuff we knew months ago. Nothing has changed. If TN didn't fire him then, why fire him now?
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The bump secondary was new.
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Volstylexx said:
Why does everyone act like we learned something new today? We didn't.... it's the same stuff we knew months ago. Nothing has changed. If TN didn't fire him then, why fire him now?
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We learned that Pearl committed what the NCAA has classified as a major violation four days after he stood in front of the cameras and bawled his eyes out about how sorry he was.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
We learned that Pearl committed what the NCAA has classified as a major violation four days after he stood in front of the cameras and bawled his eyes out about how sorry he was.
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Didnt pay enough attentio to see that it was classified as a major violation. That seems like piling on.
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BigPapaVol said:
Didnt pay enough attentio to see that it was classified as a major violation. That seems like piling on.
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You bust your kid for coming home shiatfaced one night. He begs for leniency, swears he's learned his lesson. You relent on the punishment, but establish a curfew. Three nights later he comes home an hour late. You ground his ass for two months.

That's the only sort of logic I can see that ends up with this being a major violation.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You bust your kid for coming home shiatfaced one night. He begs for leniency, swears he's learned his lesson. You relent on the punishment, but establish a curfew. Three nights later he comes home an hour late. You ground his ass for two months.

That's the only sort of situation I can see that ends up with this being a major violation.
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I get it, but seems a poor way to appear objective about actual violations when you're supposedly in investigation mode.
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pl3 said:
It wasn't new to a lot of people. UT compliance investigated and didn't report because they didn't consider it as a violation.
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Who, outside the AD, was it not new to?
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BigPapaVol said:
I get it, but seems a poor way to appear objective about actual violations when you're supposedly in investigation mode.
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Maybe they're classifying it as a major because a school which already knew it was under investigation failed to report it. I'm sure there's something, though.

You'd expect somebody in the Knoxville media to dig all that up pretty soon, since it was the most interesting thing in the whole letter.
 
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