1st Year Disasters for Great Coaches

[DiderotsGhost]

To keep things in perspective, here's a list of 1st year disasters for some of the greatest coaches in college football history.

Steve Spurrier, 1990 vs Tennessee, 3-45
Steve Spurrier, 2005 vs Auburn, 7-48
Nick Saban, 2000 vs. Florida, 9-41
Nick Saban, 1995 vs Nebraska, 10-50
Jim Harbaugh, 2007 vs Arizona State, 3-41

Bobby Bowden, 1976 vs Miami, 0-47
Johnny Majors, 1977 vs Ole Miss, 14-43
Les Miles, 2001 vs Texas, 17-45
Tom Osborne, 1973 vs Oklahoma, 0-27
Vince Dooley, 1964 vs Alabama, 3-31

Lou Holtz, 1984 vs Nebraska, 7-38
Lou Holtz, 1999 with South Carolina, 0 wins, 11 losses
Hayden Fry, 1979 vs Ohio State, 7-34
Frank Beamer, 1987 vs South Carolina, 10-40

Don James, 1975 vs Alabama, 52-0

The list goes on and on.

It's only one game. It was against a top 3 team and quite possibly the greatest offense in college football history. "Rome wasn't build in one day."

Not saying that Butch shouldn't be held accountable, but it's just one game. The real question is how this team progresses as the season goes on and over the next few years. Let's not jump to conclusions after one horrible game, where our team was completely overmatched.

I still have total confidence that Butch can restore this team to the top tier of the SEC. It'll take some time, though.

 

[KingtUT]

Nice work.

 

[Boca Vol]

A lot of those happened before the Internet age and 24 hour coverage. College football history would most certainly look much different if those things were around in the 70's.

 

[VOLfrombama]

Saban also lost to LA Monroe at home his first year at Bummer

 

[The Orange Pants]

We lost to the number 2 team in the country. This year isn't a disaster.

 

[Boca Vol]

We lost to the number 2 team in the country. This year isn't a disaster.

But that performance was. I think that's what the OP was referring to.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Saban also lost to LA Monroe at home his first year at Bummer

Exactly
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[Jasongivm6]

Hate to post this, but



Neyland 1926: Vols 3 Vandy 20

**** happens

 

[Dragon18]

To keep things in perspective, here's a list of 1st year disasters for some of the greatest coaches in college football history.

Steve Spurrier, 1990 vs Tennessee, 3-45
Steve Spurrier, 2005 vs Auburn, 7-48
Nick Saban, 2000 vs. Florida, 9-41
Nick Saban, 1995 vs Nebraska, 10-50
Jim Harbaugh, 2007 vs Arizona State, 3-41

Bobby Bowden, 1976 vs Miami, 0-47
Johnny Majors, 1977 vs Ole Miss, 14-43
Les Miles, 2001 vs Texas, 17-45
Tom Osborne, 1973 vs Oklahoma, 0-27
Vince Dooley, 1964 vs Alabama, 3-31

Lou Holtz, 1984 vs Nebraska, 7-38
Lou Holtz, 1999 with South Carolina, 0 wins, 11 losses
Hayden Fry, 1979 vs Ohio State, 7-34
Frank Beamer, 1987 vs South Carolina, 10-40

The list goes on and on.

It's only one game. It was against a top 3 team and quite possibly the greatest offense in college football history. "Rome wasn't build in one day."

Not saying that Butch shouldn't be held accountable, but it's just one game. The real question is how this team progresses as the season goes on and over the next few years. Let's not jump to conclusions after one horrible game, where our team was completely overmatched.

I still have total confidence that Butch can restore this team to the top tier of the SEC. It'll take some time, though.

Good luck with trying to use reason with some of this crowd LOL.

 

[papatomany]

Yep. I feel the same way I did before the game. We still should win no less than 6, and with any help from Worley at all, might win one we're not supposed to; and, more importantly, year three is when we start to be competitive. Last year's defense would've given up 1200 yards; and, personnel-wise this is essentially last year's defense.

Also, unlike the color guy on the game and a number of posters here, I liked that Butch refused to play scared. All of the you have to go for it on 4th and 1 at your own 28 talk comes from a mindset that says, "You have no chance, these guys are way too good for you" but Butch coached it like he was competing with equals. He wants the mindset that there's nobody we shouldn't be on the field with. Signs of good things to come.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Also, unlike the color guy on the game and a number of posters here, I liked that Butch refused to play scared. All of the you have to go for it on 4th and 1 at your own 28 talk comes from a mindset that says, "You have no chance, these guys are way too good for you" but Butch coached it like he was competing with equals. He wants the mindset that there's nobody we shouldn't be on the field with. Signs of good things to come.

I totally agree --- the color guy was an idiot.

4th-and-short around midfield is debatable, but he wanted Butch to go for it even if it was 4th-and-10 on our own 40. His way of viewing the game was basically that we simply concede that Oregon was going to score a touchdown on every possession. Winning teams don't play that way.

 

[rickyyrs]

I totally agree --- the color guy was an idiot.

4th-and-short around midfield is debatable, but he wanted Butch to go for it even if it was 4th-and-10 on our own 40. His way of viewing the game was basically that we simply concede that Oregon was going to score a touchdown on every possession. Winning teams don't play that way.

From what I seen, Our QB can not throw the ball and hit anyone. Who ever we play will stack the box to stop the run. Until Worley get's it we will be in for a tough time against good teams. I think these coaches know this but what can you do. If Worley is our best QB right now then that tells you a lot about how Dooley recruits.

 

[photovol]

Butch Jones 1st year

Oregon 59

UT 14


But I certainally can't say he's a great coach yet, maybe in 10-12 years, we'll see

 

[TGVol]

I don't think any of those coaches had Jancek running their defense or Bajakian running their offense? That is the real issue for me - I don't think either of those two guys is going to cut it in SEC long term (Jancek already got fired at UGA and was part of staffs that got killed by Dooley and Kiffin). Bajakian had the whole summer to prepare something special for this game and ran total of 5 offensive plays? The issue is not that you lose - it was a given we lose to Oregon this year. It's how you lose - and we went down against superior opponent without putting up a fight.

 

[mmajaz12]

To keep things in perspective, here's a list of 1st year disasters for some of the greatest coaches in college football history.

Steve Spurrier, 1990 vs Tennessee, 3-45
Steve Spurrier, 2005 vs Auburn, 7-48
Nick Saban, 2000 vs. Florida, 9-41
Nick Saban, 1995 vs Nebraska, 10-50
Jim Harbaugh, 2007 vs Arizona State, 3-41

Bobby Bowden, 1976 vs Miami, 0-47
Johnny Majors, 1977 vs Ole Miss, 14-43
Les Miles, 2001 vs Texas, 17-45
Tom Osborne, 1973 vs Oklahoma, 0-27
Vince Dooley, 1964 vs Alabama, 3-31

Lou Holtz, 1984 vs Nebraska, 7-38
Lou Holtz, 1999 with South Carolina, 0 wins, 11 losses
Hayden Fry, 1979 vs Ohio State, 7-34
Frank Beamer, 1987 vs South Carolina, 10-40

The list goes on and on.

It's only one game. It was against a top 3 team and quite possibly the greatest offense in college football history. "Rome wasn't build in one day."

Not saying that Butch shouldn't be held accountable, but it's just one game. The real question is how this team progresses as the season goes on and over the next few years. Let's not jump to conclusions after one horrible game, where our team was completely overmatched.

I still have total confidence that Butch can restore this team to the top tier of the SEC. It'll take some time, though.

Good point !!! :hi:

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Hate to post this, but

Neyland 1926: Vols 3 Vandy 20

Good one. Though, in fairness, he won every single other game that year. The sad thing was that Vandy was probably the toughest team on the schedule then.

 

[CA_Vol]

To keep things in perspective, here's a list of 1st year disasters for some of the greatest coaches in college football history.

Steve Spurrier, 1990 vs Tennessee, 3-45
Steve Spurrier, 2005 vs Auburn, 7-48
Nick Saban, 2000 vs. Florida, 9-41
Nick Saban, 1995 vs Nebraska, 10-50
Jim Harbaugh, 2007 vs Arizona State, 3-41

Bobby Bowden, 1976 vs Miami, 0-47
Johnny Majors, 1977 vs Ole Miss, 14-43
Les Miles, 2001 vs Texas, 17-45
Tom Osborne, 1973 vs Oklahoma, 0-27
Vince Dooley, 1964 vs Alabama, 3-31

Lou Holtz, 1984 vs Nebraska, 7-38
Lou Holtz, 1999 with South Carolina, 0 wins, 11 losses
Hayden Fry, 1979 vs Ohio State, 7-34
Frank Beamer, 1987 vs South Carolina, 10-40

The list goes on and on.

It's only one game. It was against a top 3 team and quite possibly the greatest offense in college football history. "Rome wasn't build in one day."

Not saying that Butch shouldn't be held accountable, but it's just one game. The real question is how this team progresses as the season goes on and over the next few years. Let's not jump to conclusions after one horrible game, where our team was completely overmatched.

I still have total confidence that Butch can restore this team to the top tier of the SEC. It'll take some time, though.

Absolutely right. All these coaches built a program through recruiting and Butch will too.

 

[MFL]

this year is a gift for CBJ. He can not win a game more but next year he goes under my microscope

 

[TGVol]

To keep things in perspective, here's a list of 1st year disasters for some of the greatest coaches in college football history.

Steve Spurrier, 1990 vs Tennessee, 3-45
Steve Spurrier, 2005 vs Auburn, 7-48
Nick Saban, 2000 vs. Florida, 9-41
Nick Saban, 1995 vs Nebraska, 10-50
Jim Harbaugh, 2007 vs Arizona State, 3-41

Bobby Bowden, 1976 vs Miami, 0-47
Johnny Majors, 1977 vs Ole Miss, 14-43
Les Miles, 2001 vs Texas, 17-45
Tom Osborne, 1973 vs Oklahoma, 0-27
Vince Dooley, 1964 vs Alabama, 3-31

Lou Holtz, 1984 vs Nebraska, 7-38
Lou Holtz, 1999 with South Carolina, 0 wins, 11 losses
Hayden Fry, 1979 vs Ohio State, 7-34
Frank Beamer, 1987 vs South Carolina, 10-40

The list goes on and on.

So what? The list of many more coaches who had those types of records (or even better) in their first years and later failed and got fired is even longer so how do you know at this time which of those two lists CBJ will join when it's all said and done? The answer is nobody knows and we can only HOPE he joins the list of winners.

 

[General Jack]

So what? The list of many more coaches who had those types of records (or even better) in their first years and later failed and got fired is even longer so how do you know at this time which of those two lists CBJ will join when it's all said and done? The answer is nobody knows and we can only HOPE he joins the list of winners.

So he made a very valid point that many great coaches has suffered big losses in year one. While the loss sucks the final chapter in the CBJ era hasn't been written. We are still in the prologue.

What's so hard about that to understand?

 

[volfan411]

To keep things in perspective, here's a list of 1st year disasters for some of the greatest coaches in college football history.

Steve Spurrier, 1990 vs Tennessee, 3-45
Steve Spurrier, 2005 vs Auburn, 7-48
Nick Saban, 2000 vs. Florida, 9-41
Nick Saban, 1995 vs Nebraska, 10-50
Jim Harbaugh, 2007 vs Arizona State, 3-41

Bobby Bowden, 1976 vs Miami, 0-47
Johnny Majors, 1977 vs Ole Miss, 14-43
Les Miles, 2001 vs Texas, 17-45
Tom Osborne, 1973 vs Oklahoma, 0-27
Vince Dooley, 1964 vs Alabama, 3-31

Lou Holtz, 1984 vs Nebraska, 7-38
Lou Holtz, 1999 with South Carolina, 0 wins, 11 losses
Hayden Fry, 1979 vs Ohio State, 7-34
Frank Beamer, 1987 vs South Carolina, 10-40

The list goes on and on.



It's only one game. It was against a top 3 team and quite possibly the greatest offense in college football history. "Rome wasn't build in one day."

Not saying that Butch shouldn't be held accountable, but it's just one game. The real question is how this team progresses as the season goes on and over the next few years. Let's not jump to conclusions after one horrible game, where our team was completely overmatched.

I still have total confidence that Butch can restore this team to the top tier of the SEC. It'll take some time, though.

Thank you for the work but being rational will not work with most on here.

 

[EZE]

I don't think any of those coaches had Jancek running their defense or Bajakian running their offense? That is the real issue for me - I don't think either of those two guys is going to cut it in SEC long term (Jancek already got fired at UGA and was part of staffs that got killed by Dooley and Kiffin). Bajakian had the whole summer to prepare something special for this game and ran total of 5 offensive plays? The issue is not that you lose - it was a given we lose to Oregon this year. It's how you lose - and we went down against superior opponent without putting up a fight.

When the offense cannot execute, it really hampers you as a coordinator. If you can't execute 5 plays consistently, how are you going to benefit from more plays.

 

[TGVol]

So he made a very valid point that many great coaches has suffered big losses in year one. While the loss sucks the final chapter in the CBJ era hasn't been written. We are still in the prologue.

What's so hard about that to understand?

And I'm making a valid point that CBJ has not yet shown anything that says he will join that list of hall of fame coaches and chances are probably much higher than 50% that he will not be on that list when it's all said and done (since most coaches don't do as well as that list). What's so hard to understand about that?

 

[Merlot]

Good point, I ain't panicking.

 

[TGVol]

When the offense cannot execute, it really hampers you as a coordinator. If you can't execute 5 plays consistently, how are you going to benefit from more plays.

They had the whole freaking summer to coach them those 5 plays (at least). Since players were not ready a lot of responsibility for that is on coaches as well - or are we going to make an exception in this case and say that it's all on players and poor game planning and in game coaching had nothing to do with the horror they put us through? :no: