2010 -- Number of Scholarships

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Now that several players have left, one would think that we would have boatloads of scholarships to give and could pull an obscene class. However, I think there are some tricky little NCAA rules -- the details of which I am not intimately familiar with -- that may prevent us from doing so. And I'm actually not talking about the APR.

If anyone is well-versed in this stuff, I would be interested in knowing how it all breaks down and how many scholarships we will actually have.
 
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The way it works is that you get 25 schollies for each recruiting season. Where it gets tricky is that you can back-count your early enrollees to the previous recruiting year if you did not fill the allotted 25 schollie openings that year. So if everyone from the '09 class qualifies that's 21 players. Now we had early enrollees in LB Nigel Mitchell Thornton, Toney Williams, Montori Hughes and Rae Sykes (I think that's all we had) which can be back-counted to the previous class. So now we have 8 openings for early enrollees. ( I don't think there is a limit on the number of players you can back-count.) That means we can sign 33 players in next year's class if we have 8 that enroll early.

I think this is right. I know the principles are -- not sure on the numbers though.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
What's the point on a dumb limit if you have more scholarships available?
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I believe they're trying to stop the massive rolling classes. Some coaches would intentionally sign 50 or 60 players one year knowing they would all be seniors the same year and they could make a run at the national title. I'm not sure why the NCAA cares but there was a previous poster in another thread that said this was the reason. It can make it very difficult to refill a roster. Often when schools come off probation it takes them several more years to fill out their scholarship spots b/c of this rule.
 
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Well - if they sign and actually get 50 or 60 plays in on one class - then props to them - but good luck the next couple of years after that class graduates.
 
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There will be 2 less scholarships for next year when we sign Hood and Moody probably this week. Moody still has get his academics in line though
 
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I believe our own Johnny Majors was the inspiration for the rule, from his time at Pitt where he would sign fifty or sixty guys each year while rebuilding the program to a national title.

I could be wrong on that, but I remember hearing it before.
 
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IPorange said:
I believe our own Johnny Majors was the inspiration for the rule, from his time at Pitt where he would sign fifty or sixty guys each year while rebuilding the program to a national title.

I could be wrong on that, but I remember hearing it before.
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I have heard that is why too. Dad still talks aboiut it. I will have to ask Johnny when he is here again.
 
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Not trying to start anything, just asking. How can we sign 33? I thought we had 16 senoirs and as of now a total of 80 players. 85 is the cap right?
 
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16 seniors = 16 scholly's
1 jr will leave = 1 scholly
5 under cap at moment = 5 scholly's
back sign a few = 3-4
sign and place a few = 30ish
 
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I don't really think it's possibly to sign 50 or so quality players these days anyway with competition and freshmen wanting immediate playing time. It was different back then when Bear Bryant could bring in a second string every bit as good as the 1st string or whatever. I think the rule is past its time.
 
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Seems like we'll be able to recruit up to the 25 limit plus a few back signed plus a few sign and place...I'd say we'll be close to 30 total with 20-25 making campus. We do something like that again in 2011 and our talent pool should be nicely stocked.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
Seems like we'll be able to recruit up to the 25 limit plus a few back signed plus a few sign and place...I'd say we'll be close to 30 total with 20-25 making campus. We do something like that again in 2011 and our talent pool should be nicely stocked.
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It seems like that has been a problem lately. We haven't had back to back great classes in awhile.
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Sabanocchio said:
The way it works is that you get 25 schollies for each recruiting season. Where it gets tricky is that you can back-count your early enrollees to the previous recruiting year if you did not fill the allotted 25 schollie openings that year. So if everyone from the '09 class qualifies that's 21 players. Now we had early enrollees in LB Nigel Mitchell Thornton, Toney Williams, Montori Hughes and Rae Sykes (I think that's all we had) which can be back-counted to the previous class. So now we have 8 openings for early enrollees. ( I don't think there is a limit on the number of players you can back-count.) That means we can sign 33 players in next year's class if we have 8 that enroll early.

I think this is right. I know the principles are -- not sure on the numbers though.
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you also have to have room under the 85 number from the previous season. We met the 25 rule, but not the 85 rule to get all four in. I think we had 84 on scholarship during the season after CPF gave schips to Nick, Cox and Sullins. means they can back count 1 of the early entries
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
What's the point on a dumb limit if you have more scholarships available?
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the limit is in place because of the financial issues. someone has to pay for those scholarships. that had as much to do with it as anything else.

parity amongst all teams was another reason for capping the number
 
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LWSVOL said:
you also have to have room under the 85 number from the previous season. We met the 25 rule, but not the 85 rule to get all four in. I think we had 84 on scholarship during the season after CPF gave schips to Nick, Cox and Sullins. means they can back count 1 of the early entries
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Good point. I forgot about the 85 cap.
 
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LWSVOL said:
the limit is in place because of the financial issues. someone has to pay for those scholarships. that had as much to do with it as anything else.

parity amongst all teams was another reason for capping the number
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What? I don't mean a take away the total 85 cap - but the limit on each recruit allowed in per season.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Same thing basically. It's just a way for the NCAA to try and provide parity amongst the teams.
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Yeah - but was referring specifically to money reasons. I just don't see how it still doesn't provide parity unless they get 50 top (literally like 50 of the top 400 players in America) high school players each year and kick the crappy ones off that don't pan out each year and make room for new ones. Ok - so what if one team is beastly every few years? They'll be irrelevant the next two years and have to rebuild from scratch. Not to mention with teams like USC they don't miss a beat anyway so they'd have no reason to take that approach.

And even if someone managed to get that many recruits - there is no possible way someone is going to get that dominant of a class with all the schools out there really competing. Kids want early PT now so they'll go anywhere.

This isn't the Bear Bryant era anymore.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Yeah - but was referring specifically to money reasons. I just don't see how it still doesn't provide parity unless they get 50 top (literally like 50 of the top 400 players in America) high school players each year and kick the crappy ones off that don't pan out each year and make room for new ones. Ok - so what if one team is beastly every few years? They'll be irrelevant the next two years and have to rebuild from scratch. Not to mention with teams like USC they don't miss a beat anyway so they'd have no reason to take that approach.

And even if someone managed to get that many recruits - there is no possible way someone is going to get that dominant of a class with all the schools out there really competing. Kids want early PT now so they'll go anywhere.
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They can't regulate on that level. The rankings are arbitrary and vary from service to service. You can't do it.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
They can't regulate on that level. The rankings are arbitrary and vary from service to service. You can't do it.
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I don't care what the rankings are. No team would be able to haul in that many quality players though - and even if they did - so what? There's still an 85 scholarship limit and they'll be screwed after those graduate.

As good as UF/Texas/USC/etc are at recruiting - they would not be able to convince 50 studs to come to their school and have most of them sit on the bench when they could be day 1 starters at places like USCjr and Texas A&M, UNC, etc.
 
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