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By no means am I saying this season is over, but I can’t help being excited about what next year brings. There is a log jam at shooting guard and we’re thin at center, but this may be the most athletic Tennessee team I’ve seen in my lifetime.

Vescovi - PG
Bailey - PG

K. Johnson - SG
Springer - SG
JJJ - SG
Gaines - SG

Pons - SF
J. Johnson - SF
Walker - SF

Fulkerson - PF
Pember - PF
Nkamhoua - PF

Plavsic - C
 
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By no means am I saying this season is over, but I can’t help being excited about what next year brings. There is a log jam at shooting guard and we’re thin at center, but this may be the most athletic Tennessee teams I’ve seen in my lifetime.

Vescovi - PG
Bailey - PG

K. Johnson - SG
Springer - SG
JJJ - SG
Gaines - SG

Pons - SF
J. Johnson - SF
Walker - SF

Fulkerson - PF
Pember - PF

Plavsic - C

I think that JJJ is a PG/SF and not a shooting guard. Springer might be another PG, probably not full time. I don't know if Pember would be a power forward or Pons a 3. If Johnson choses to stay he might be more of a 2. Bailey might be another 2 depending on how things shake out at the PG.

Did you cut O(R)N?
 
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don't blame anyone looking at next season, but sure hope Coach Barnes can work some magic this season...lots to play yet...:D

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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It's going to be really interesting to see how Barnes distributes the minutes next year. Unless Bailey really shows out, I'm not sure how many minutes there really are for him. I think Vescovi gets at least 25 minutes at PG, and JJJ and the 2 5*'s can fill in most of the rest of those minutes.

I'll be curious to see if Barnes goes with small ball more to have our 5 most talented players all out on the floor at the same time.

I think the true log jam is at the 4. You've got Pons, ORN, Walker, and Pember. Pons has earned at least 25mpg even on a crowded roster. I'm not sure how ready Walker is to just step right in, but if he is then you have ORN and Pember fighting over scraps between the 4/5 positions.

This is clearly a gap year, but I agree with you that next year's team could be electric.
 
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I think that JJJ is a PG/SF and not a shooting guard. Springer might be another PG, probably not full time. I don't know if Pember would be a power forward or Pons a 3. If Johnson choses to stay he might be more of a 2. Bailey might be another 2 depending on how things shake out at the PG.

Did you cut O(R)N?
Man, I knew I left someone out. Thanks!
 
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There are some interesting theories on how Pember fits into the rotation. I'll be surprised to see him play more 5 than 2. Seems like he'd be mainly a 3 that could help at the 4 if he can add a lot of weight. Perhaps he can fill the Fulkerson role with the threat of knocking down 3s as well. But I really think that several of TN's posts getting minutes have been too thin and despite the rules supposedly evolving to allow more offensive flow, that's not the reality of how SEC officials call games. If refs would call fouls for pushing in the paint then Pember could clean up at the FT line. Unfortunately they seem to allow the stronger players to knock defenders out of the way and Admiral, Grant, Walker, and Burns are no longer on the roster.
 
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There are some interesting theories on how Pember fits into the rotation. I'll be surprised to see him play more 5 than 2. Seems like he'd be mainly a 3 that could help at the 4 if he can add a lot of weight. Perhaps he can fill the Fulkerson role with the threat of knocking down 3s as well. But I really think that several of TN's posts getting minutes have been too thin and despite the rules supposedly evolving to allow more offensive flow, that's not the reality of how SEC officials call games. If refs would call fouls for pushing in the paint then Pember could clean up at the FT line. Unfortunately they seem to allow the stronger players to knock defenders out of the way and Admiral, Grant, Walker, and Burns are no longer on the roster.

Agree. It would be great if Pember can put on a lot of weight and muscle in the offseason and help out with the 5 spot, but I think he'll be most effective long term in the 3/4 spot. Even at the 4 spot he'll need to put on a lot of weight. Same for Gaines at the 2/3. The offseason should help these guys immensely...at least that's my hope.
 
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I think you guys are putting way too much emphasis on pegging players into certain positions. Basketball has become a much more fluid and positionless game over the last handful of years. I think Barnes will play the best 5, regardless of position. James, Keon Johnson, and Pons are all long enough to switch everything and guard almost any position on the floor for a possession or 2. There aren't any dominant big men that you have to worry about them throwing the ball on the block and feasting all day.

Really I think it is a great problem to have. We can go big with Uros or play small with Pons at the 5 protecting the rim with our athleticism and length on the wings. Gives us the ability to match virtually any lineup and style of play.
 
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I think you guys are putting way too much emphasis on pegging players into certain positions. Basketball has become a much more fluid and positionless game over the last handful of years. I think Barnes will play the best 5, regardless of position. James, Keon Johnson, and Pons are all long enough to switch everything and guard almost any position on the floor for a possession or 2. There aren't any dominant big men that you have to worry about them throwing the ball on the block and feasting all day.

Really I think it is a great problem to have. We can go big with Uros or play small with Pons at the 5 protecting the rim with our athleticism and length on the wings. Gives us the ability to match virtually any lineup and style of play.

It's just a way to describe which 5 go on the court together. Really the need of the 1 and 5 are dictated by matchups. If your opponent has a 6'10" or better 250 pound or more player, you really need to counter it. If a team doesn't use a traditional PG then you might try to match them or gain an advantage on offense with a small ball handler that adds more than you lose with a weakness in your defense.

1 through 5 is just a label. 50 years ago teams had 2 guards, 2 forwards, and a center. Then sometimes they had a point guard, 2 wings, a high post, and a low post. Then a PG, SG, SF, PF, and center/low post which is really just the same as the commonly used 1-5.

Less zone makes the labels less necessary as well. 1-3-1, 2-3, 1-2-2, 2-1-2, etc. kind of meant there needed to be names for the spots.

Barnes has built up a roster that runs his brand of man-to-man and most in the rotation cover multiple, often 3, of the "spots".

The great teams in the past often had a freakishly tall player that was surrounded by role players. Wilt, BR, Lew, Walton, Hakeem, Patrick, Ralph, Bowie, Turpin, Shaq, etc. It really got kind of boring and predictable. Post up down low and take advantage of the mismatch.
 
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I think you guys are putting way too much emphasis on pegging players into certain positions. Basketball has become a much more fluid and positionless game over the last handful of years. I think Barnes will play the best 5, regardless of position. James, Keon Johnson, and Pons are all long enough to switch everything and guard almost any position on the floor for a possession or 2. There aren't any dominant big men that you have to worry about them throwing the ball on the block and feasting all day.

Really I think it is a great problem to have. We can go big with Uros or play small with Pons at the 5 protecting the rim with our athleticism and length on the wings. Gives us the ability to match virtually any lineup and style of play.

Putting players into certain roles is just for fun. Who knows what will really happen. The good news is we will definitely have a lot of flexibility, especially 2 through 4, however I wouldn't put Pons at the 5 spot. I would slide Fulkerson and/or Nkamhoua in and move him to 4. We haven't had a true center in a long time. It will be nice to see what Plavsic brings to this team.
 
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That team is an effective big man grad transfer away from potentially being a preseason Top 5 team...

PG: Vescovi
SG: Springer/Bailey/Johnson
SF: Johnson/Gaines/Pember
PF: James/Pons/ORN/Walker
C: Fulky/Plavsic


I have James listed at the 4 but in more of a point forward type role, maybe Vescovi comes off the bench but having this extra time in the system is gonna give him a leg up...and with that said if he can fix with turnovers and continue to develop, that boy needs to be on the court.
 
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That team is an effective big man grad transfer away from potentially being a preseason Top 5 team...

PG: Vescovi
SG: Springer/Bailey/Johnson
SF: Johnson/Gaines/Pember
PF: James/Pons/ORN/Walker
C: Fulky/Plavsic


I have James listed at the 4 but in more of a point forward type role, maybe Vescovi comes off the bench but having this extra time in the system is gonna give him a leg up...and with that said if he can fix with turnovers and continue to develop, that boy needs to be on the court.

Absolutely. Do we have a spot open or would someone have to transfer to bring in a grad transfer?
 
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Absolutely. Do we have a spot open or would someone have to transfer to bring in a grad transfer?

We're full with those 13. Johnson graduated and could be a grad transfer. Pember could be a walk-on if it's permitted by the NCAA rules. I think that Houston might have been a walk-on later in his career.
 
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By no means am I saying this season is over, but I can’t help being excited about what next year brings. There is a log jam at shooting guard and we’re thin at center, but this may be the most athletic Tennessee team I’ve seen in my lifetime.

Vescovi - PG Bailey - PG
K. Johnson - SG Springer - SG JJJ - SG Gaines - SG
Pons - SF J. Johnson - SF Walker - SF
Fulkerson - PF Pember - PF Nkamhoua - PF
Plavsic - C

Vescovi, Springer, Bailey PG
K Johnson, Bailey, Gaines SG
JJJ, Walker, Johnson SF
Pons, NKAM, Pember PF
Fulkerson, Plavsic, NKAM C if you call it that

It's 3 guards and 2 forwards really.
 
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I have no clue what the starting lineup will look like but Barnes is going to have a ton of options. More than anything you look at that depth and have to think we will press more full court if even token pressure and try to run ALOT more.

My best guess at starting 5 is:
Vescovi
Stringer
James
Pons
Fulkerson

Next 4 in the rotation will be combo of Plavsic, Walker, K. Johnson, and Bailey. Gaines, Pember and Nkamhoua may improve but play less. Wish nothing but the best, but can’t imagine Jalen Johnson on this roster next year. Both Stringer and James can back up Vescovi at the point. Will be interested to see if Bailey is more than a 3 pt. perimeter shooter and a high flying dunker. He can jump out of the gym. Would love to get another big rim protector.
 
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By no means am I saying this season is over, but I can’t help being excited about what next year brings. There is a log jam at shooting guard and we’re thin at center, but this may be the most athletic Tennessee team I’ve seen in my lifetime.

Vescovi - PG
Bailey - PG

K. Johnson - SG
Springer - SG
JJJ - SG
Gaines - SG

Pons - SF
J. Johnson - SF
Walker - SF

Fulkerson - PF
Pember - PF
Nkamhoua - PF

Plavsic - C
I think Pons will be a 4 again with Walker and Fulkerson will back up center unless Nkamhoua beats him out. One of those two will be out of the rotation.
 
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I have no clue what the starting lineup will look like but Barnes is going to have a ton of options. More than anything you look at that depth and have to think we will press more full court if even token pressure and try to run ALOT more.

My best guess at starting 5 is:
Vescovi
Stringer
James
Pons
Fulkerson

Next 4 in the rotation will be combo of Plavsic, Walker, K. Johnson, and Bailey. Gaines, Pember and Nkamhoua may improve but play less. Wish nothing but the best, but can’t imagine Jalen Johnson on this roster next year. Both Stringer and James can back up Vescovi at the point. Will be interested to see if Bailey is more than a 3 pt. perimeter shooter and a high flying dunker. He can jump out of the gym. Would love to get another big rim protector.
No way we play the same two guys in the post if we want to improve. We need more post scoring and rebounds. One is ok but we have to have more bulk out there.
 

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