2020 Presidential Race

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GSD82 said:
LOL your obsession with this judge is hilarious
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You don't have an answer for it, because not only is he a Trump-appointed judge, but he completely rejects every argument for fraud being made by advocates for Trump:

(1) Bibas dismissed the Trump case, not for a lack of standing, but on its failed merits.

(2) Bibas welcomed new witnesses to be called, as well as any evidence of fraud that Trump's legal representation wished to present. They didn't call any witnesses or present any evidence.

(3) Bibas points out how the Trump legal representation does not even make the claim of systemic fraud in that one specific case... which Rudy Giuliani had done while speaking to various show hosts on Fox News.

I understand why you don't want to talk about him. He single-handedly crapped on every Trump claim of fraud.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You don't have an answer for it, because not only is he a Trump-appointed judge, but he completely rejects every argument for fraud being made by advocates for Trump:

(1) Bibas dismissed the Trump case, not for a lack of standing, but on its failed merits.

(2) Bibas welcomed new witnesses to be called, as well as any evidence of fraud that Trump's legal representation wished to present. They didn't call any witnesses or present any evidence.

(3) Bibas points out how the Trump legal representation does not even make the claim of systemic fraud in that one specific case... which Rudy Giuliani had done while speaking to various show hosts on Fox News.

I understand why you don't want to talk about him. He single-handedly crapped on every Trump claim of fraud.
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If #2 happened, that's not what they files suit on. I believe that one was about that the courts changed the rules of the election, which they are not allowed to do. How noble of an activist judge, to try and sway it to something different so he could give an opinion about something they didn't file on.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Simply saying it's not without allowing proof does not make it legal. A competent judge, no matter who appointed him, should know the difference.
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Judge Bibas was allowing proof. He specifically said that he was. The Trump legal representation didn't present any evidence, nor did they make any specific allegations of systemic fraud. That is the whole point. The Trump team will make claims of fraud while giving interviews on Fox News, which they wont make while appearing in court - where there could be repercussions for misrepresenting evidence or lying.
 
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tnmarktx said:
If #2 happened, that's not what they files suit on. I believe that one was about that the courts changed the rules of the election, which they are not allowed to do. How noble of an activist judge, to try and sway it to something different so he could give an opinion about something they didn't file on.
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An "activist judge". Sure, Stephanos Bibas is anti-Trump. The same President who appointed him to the bench? That's a tough sell, buddy.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Judge Bibas was allowing proof. He specifically said that he was. The Trump legal representation didn't present any evidence, nor did they make any specific allegations of systemic fraud. That is the whole point. The Trump team will make claims of fraud while giving interviews on Fox News, which they wont make while appearing in court - where there could be repercussions for misrepresenting evidence or lying.
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Were they alleging fraud in that case? They weren't, so only an opinion on what the alleged was needed. All the extra was the activist part, I don't care who appointed him.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A "activist judge". Sure, Stephanos Bibas is anti-Trump. The same President who appointed him to the bench? That's a tough sell, buddy.
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I'd add, any judge that watches news and develops bias towards any plaintiffs should recuse themselves from being a judge at all.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Were they alleging fraud in that case? They weren't, so only an opinion on what the alleged was needed. All the extra was the activist part, I don't care who appointed him.
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All of these cases were tossed on technicalities, dumbass ones at that. They were not tossed because they couldn't be proven. MSNBC/CNN don't tell radical leftists like bowl this
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Judge Bibas was allowing proof. He specifically said that he was. The Trump legal representation didn't present any evidence, nor did they make any specific allegations of systemic fraud. That is the whole point. The Trump team will make claims of fraud while giving interviews on Fox News, which they wont make while appearing in court - where there could be repercussions for misrepresenting evidence or lying.
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They honestly believe they don't have to actually prove anything. They think all they have to do is convince enough gullible people that it happened and they can steal the election.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
They honestly believe they don't have to actually prove anything. They think all they have to do is convince enough gullible people that it happened and they can steal the election.
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Or disprove anything. Since data and information is constantly being obstructed, your side feels they can steal the election. Don't be a hypocrite.
 
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GSD82 said:
All of these cases were tossed on technicalities, dumbass ones at that. They were not tossed because they couldn't be proven. MSNBC/CNN don't tell radical leftists like bowl this
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This is a lie and it has been brought to your attention before. Judge Bibas specifically stated in his opinion to that one specific case, that he was dismissing the case on its failed merits. Bibas also stated that the Trump legal representation had failed to provide any evidence in support of their claims.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Or disprove anything. Since data and information is constantly being obstructed, your side feels they can steal the election. Don't be a hypocrite.
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But they claim to have proof except when asked to show it in court. If that proof doesn't include data and information then what is it exactly?
 
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utvolpj said:
But they claim to have proof except when asked to show it in court. If that proof doesn't include data and information then what is it exactly?
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That's not what they filed for. I've stated that in many posts. You'd have to question them as to their reason. I'd say this was a clear violation of the election rules in PA. So it wasn't a bad strategy. Also, as I've state in numerous posts that there has been obstruction by state officials to impede investigations of fraud. That's even documented in recored audio. Those same state officials come out and make statements without showing the reciepts. Don't expect people to take that as gospel.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is a lie and it has been brought to your attention before. Judge Bibas specifically stated in his opinion to that one specific case, that he was dismissing the case on its failed merits. Bibas also stated that the Trump legal representation had failed to provide any evidence in support of their claims.
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But Trump told them they’re only being thrown out based on standing. So that’s what they believe.
 
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tnmarktx said:
There have been alternate electors sent. VP does not have the power to switch to Trump electors.
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Well, I knew it had to happen eventually... You just said something that I completely agree with. However, not everyone is as enlightened as yourself:

"The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors."

-- President Donald Trump, in a tweet from one hour ago.

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The Constitution does not grant the vice president any such power -- it is up to the House and Senate to voice objections -- and states' electors were chosen in accordance with state law, not fraudulently.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Well, I knew it had to happen eventually... You just said something that I completely agree with. However, not everyone is as enlightened as yourself:

"The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors."

-- President Donald Trump, in a tweet from one hour ago.

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The Constitution does not grant the vice president any such power -- it is up to the House and Senate to voice objections -- and states' electors were chosen in accordance with state law, not fraudulently.
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Trump is a friggin idiot
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Well, I knew it had to happen eventually... You just said something that I completely agree with. However, not everyone is as enlightened as yourself:

"The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors."

-- President Donald Trump, in a tweet from one hour ago.

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The Constitution does not grant the vice president any such power -- it is up to the House and Senate to voice objections -- and states' electors were chosen in accordance with state law, not fraudulently.
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Scratch that, I'm glad we agree.
 
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