2022 Kentucky Derby

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Who you got?

Lot of speed this year, so I'll take one of the closers. Zandon maybe. But I always think the speed will fade and it usually doesn't.

Oh well.
 
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The Derby is overrated. It’s more of an excuse to party and drink than an actual sporting event.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
The Derby is overrated. It’s more of an excuse to party and drink than an actual sporting event.
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Well, yes and no. Its a 20 horse field (or one or two less if scratches). So there is an opportunity there for real value if you feel strongly about one of the entries. Been a few real longshots the last 20 years, i.e. 50 to 1 or higher, which have won.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, yes and no. Its a 20 horse field (or one or two less if scratches). So there is an opportunity there for real value if you feel strongly about one of the entries. Been a few real longshots the last 20 years, i.e. 50 to 1 or higher, which have won.
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You basically just proved my point. The betting is more exciting than the race itself. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll still watch and place my bets, but the only difference between the Derby and any other horse race is the week leading up to it full of events. Most locals hate the Derby because it shuts down roads and brings in traffic to Louisville’s already overcrowded roads.

Plus, Churchill is in a terrible part of town. I wouldn’t go there unless I absolutely had to.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
You basically just proved my point. The betting is more exciting than the race itself. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll still watch and place my bets, but the only difference between the Derby and any other horse race is the week leading up to it full of events. Most locals hate the Derby because it shuts down roads and brings in traffic to Louisville’s already overcrowded roads.

Plus, Churchill is in a terrible part of town. I wouldn’t go there unless I absolutely had to.
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I went to the 100th running of the derby about a half a century ago. we pulled up a a chain link fence enough to crawl under it just as the guards showed up. We were in the infield, and drank mint juleps all day, yuk!
After not seeing a horse for the first 7-8 races I made my way to within about 20' of the fence and saw a blur of horses run by.
It's still one of the most enjoyable things I've done, but definitely something for the young and stupid.
 
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Go aeiou said:
I went to the 100th running of the derby about a half a century ago. we pulled up a a chain link fence enough to crawl under it just as the guards showed up. We were in the infield, and drank mint juleps all day, yuk!
After not seeing a horse for the first 7-8 races I made my way to within about 20' of the fence and saw a blur of horses run by.
It's still one of the most enjoyable things I've done, but definitely something for the young and stupid.
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Nonsense...buy a ticket, pull out your seer sucker suit, send Mamma Bear to buy a new dress and the HAT, drink bourbon, play several long shots for a few bucks. Avoid the infield the fans there come to party and those sober enough to stand still can't see the track.
The Derby is great fun for mature folks.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
You basically just proved my point. The betting is more exciting than the race itself. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll still watch and place my bets, but the only difference between the Derby and any other horse race is the week leading up to it full of events. Most locals hate the Derby because it shuts down roads and brings in traffic to Louisville’s already overcrowded roads.

Plus, Churchill is in a terrible part of town. I wouldn’t go there unless I absolutely had to.
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The betting is 90% of the reason people care about it and probably always has been.

The sports world generally was slow to accept legal/open betting and it has only become legal in many places throughout the country within the last few years. One of the things I thought was ironic about that was that the first sport to have national appeal in the United States was horse racing, and from its very beginnings horse racing has been intimately connected with gambling. If you talk about horse racing, you're essentially talking about the betting aspect of it.
 
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05_never_again said:
The betting is 90% of the reason people care about it and probably always has been.

The sports world generally was slow to accept legal/open betting and it has only become legal in many places throughout the country within the last few years. One of the things I thought was ironic about that was that the first sport to have national appeal in the United States was horse racing, and from its very beginnings horse racing has been intimately connected with gambling. If you talk about horse racing, you're essentially talking about the betting aspect of it.
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True. I get the appeal before betting was more widely accepted, but now, you can bet on a soccer game in New Zealand from the comfort of your couch. Of course, horse racing has a certain atmosphere you can’t replicate.

The actual sport itself is mind numbingly boring, imagine if NASCAR took one lap around the track every 30 minutes or so. Probably why they had to market betting and drinking as part of the sport, otherwise, no one would care.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
True. I get the appeal before betting was more widely accepted, but now, you can bet on a soccer game in New Zealand from the comfort of your couch. Of course, horse racing has a certain atmosphere you can’t replicate.

The actual sport itself is mind numbingly boring, imagine if NASCAR took one lap around the track every 30 minutes or so. Probably why they had to market betting and drinking as part of the sport, otherwise, no one would care.
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Oh, there's no doubt about it. I think about 50 people on planet Earth would care about horse racing if you couldn't gamble on it. It is just funny about how people for years and years had major hang-ups with gambling on baseball, football, etc. but no problem whatsoever with it horse racing. To the contrary actually...people care about it precisely because you can gamble on it.

I guess that could be because horse racing has always been seen in a a different "class" of sport than those others; perhaps they just don't take it as seriously.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
True. I get the appeal before betting was more widely accepted, but now, you can bet on a soccer game in New Zealand from the comfort of your couch. Of course, horse racing has a certain atmosphere you can’t replicate.

The actual sport itself is mind numbingly boring, imagine if NASCAR took one lap around the track every 30 minutes or so. Probably why they had to market betting and drinking as part of the sport, otherwise, no one would care.
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One lap every 30 minutes might be a improvement for nascar.
 
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05_never_again said:
Oh, there's no doubt about it. I think about 50 people on planet Earth would care about horse racing if you couldn't gamble on it. It is just funny about how people for years and years had major hang-ups with gambling on baseball, football, etc. but no problem whatsoever with it horse racing. To the contrary actually...people care about it precisely because you can gamble on it.

I guess that could be because horse racing has always been seen in a a different "class" of sport than those others; perhaps they just don't take it as seriously.
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Every racehorse breeder, owner, trainer and jockey on Earth cares very much about horse racing. You are correct in the sport could not survive without added stakes races paid with gambling profits.
 
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tnutater said:
Every racehorse breeder, owner, trainer and jockey on Earth cares very much about horse racing. You are correct in the sport could not survive without added stakes races paid with gambling profits.
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Yeah, but how many people is that? Obviously I was being hyperbolic by saying "50 people." It would not even exist as a sport if people didn't gamble on it.
 
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05_never_again said:
Oh, there's no doubt about it. I think about 50 people on planet Earth would care about horse racing if you couldn't gamble on it. It is just funny about how people for years and years had major hang-ups with gambling on baseball, football, etc. but no problem whatsoever with it horse racing. To the contrary actually...people care about it precisely because you can gamble on it.

I guess that could be because horse racing has always been seen in a a different "class" of sport than those others; perhaps they just don't take it as seriously.
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Interesting enough, here in Kentucky, we can’t bet on sports through apps like FanDuel like you can in Tennessee, but we can use the TwinSpire app (conveniently owned by Churchill,) to bet on any horse race in the world.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
Interesting enough, here in Kentucky, we can’t bet on sports through apps like FanDuel like you can in Tennessee, but we can use the TwinSpire app (conveniently owned by Churchill,) to bet on any horse race in the world.
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Yep, Churchill lobbied for that I'm sure. The biggest roadblocks for years to more states legalizing gambling were the big Vegas casinos.

It is not a coincidence that once they got their infrastructure in a position where they felt like they could compete, it started becoming legal en masse.
 
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05_never_again said:
Oh, there's no doubt about it. I think about 50 people on planet Earth would care about horse racing if you couldn't gamble on it. It is just funny about how people for years and years had major hang-ups with gambling on baseball, football, etc. but no problem whatsoever with it horse racing. To the contrary actually...people care about it precisely because you can gamble on it.

I guess that could be because horse racing has always been seen in a a different "class" of sport than those others; perhaps they just don't take it as seriously.
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I’d be one of the 50. I’ll watch any horse event, even though I understand and grieve the danger to the horses.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep, Churchill lobbied for that I'm sure. The biggest roadblocks for years to more states legalizing gambling were the big Vegas casinos.

It is not a coincidence that once they got their infrastructure in a position where they felt like they could compete, it started becoming legal en masse.
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There’s also only one casino in the entire state of Kentucky.

I’m sure you can guess who owns and operates it.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
Must’ve missed all the betting booths in Neyland and TBA
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If you do not have a computer or smart phone there still are bookies around, no need to go to a game or race to gamble.
World wide, what would be your estimate on how much money is bet on UT sports teams yearly?
 
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