2nd Arizona Patients Dies After State Budget....

[WillisWG]

When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” the Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But didn't know the GOP had a plan too.

"A second person denied transplant coverage by Arizona under a state budget cut has died, with this death "most likely" resulting from the coverage reduction, a hospital spokeswoman said Wednesday. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/06/arizona-patient-dies-transplant-budget_n_805470.htm

"So, you thought the discussion about “Death Panels” was something of the past, or perhaps you believed just what you were told when ObamaCare was passed, and that was that there were no plans for so-called Death Panel’s. "

Alert: Obama care 'death panels' still alive and kicking! - National Conservative | Examiner.com

 

[sjt18]

So a public health care plan failed because care was effectively rationed... and your point was? This happens in England, Canada, and every other country that has a waiting list for care or rationing of care because of socialized medicine.

This is a strong proof for our argument that healthcare should not and cannot be turned over to gov't.

This didn't help your case.

 

[WillisWG]

So a public health care plan failed because care was effectively rationed... and your point was? This happens in England, Canada, and every other country that has a waiting list for care or rationing of care because of socialized medicine.

This is a strong proof for our argument that healthcare should not and cannot be turned over to gov't.

This didn't help your case.

Rationed or denied? In either case, PHC failed them and they're dead. and without a PHC they would still be dead because they probably couldn't afford the insurance. A little end-of-life planning may have offered some comfort.

Even with or without a PHC plan HC is rationed.

 

[fl0at]

Rationed or denied? In either case, PHC failed them and they're dead. and without a PHC they would still be dead because they probably couldn't afford the insurance. A little end-of-life planning may have offered some comfort.

Even with or without a PHC plan HC is rationed.

That Huff Post link was dead, so I couldn't read that news snippet. But, why did state budget affect the ability to receive the transplant, exactly?

 

[WillisWG]

That Huff Post link was dead, so I couldn't read that news snippet. But, why did state budget affect the ability to receive the transplant, exactly?

1 Oct Arizona reduced Medicaid coverage for transplants to help close a shortfall in the state budget enacted last spring. That action forced a number of people off of various transplant lists. The article does mention that one of the dead would have probably died even after the transplant.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/06/health/main7219326.shtml

 

[fl0at]

1 Oct Arizona reduced Medicaid coverage for transplants to help close a shortfall in the state budget enacted last spring. That action forced a number of people off of various transplant lists. The article does mention that one of the dead would have probably died even after the transplant.

Sucks. But lucky for those that did receive the organs through regional transplant directives.

If Arizona couldn't accept the organs, another state most definitely could and did.

 

[MG1968]

wonder how many illegal aliens and prison inmates received organ transplants?

 

[WillisWG]

wonder how many illegal aliens and prison inmates received organ transplants?

Not sure but we're talking Arizona so probably none. Sue Lowden, the AZ GOP candidate who ran against Harry Reid for Nevada Senate seat thought a medical barter system was the way to go. Her plan fondly know as the "Chickens for Checkups".

What I do know is the cuts removed 98 Arizonans from the transplant lists.

"Randall Shepherd, a 36-year-old father of three who needs a new heart after childhood battles with rheumatic fever, is one of 98 Arizonans no longer eligible for state-paid transplants...."

Pulling Plug on Grandma Puts Obamacare Opponents on Defensive - Bloomberg

 

[MG1968]

what was that saying I keep hearing about anecdotal stories...???

 

[WillisWG]

what was that saying I keep hearing about anecdotal stories...???

Daddy said, son believe only half you see and nothing that you read. But Chickens for Checkups" will never defeat a "Chicken in every Pot".

YouTube - Sue Lowden: What Chicken Barter System?

Sue Lowden Defends 'Chickens For Checkups' Proposal

 

[MG1968]

I wasn't defending, nor do I care about, Sue Lowden.

My point was that anecdotal stories are just that, anecdotal. They're great for inducing a teary-eyed, emotional response, but they generally fail to mean anything beyond that.

 

[WillisWG]

I wasn't defending, nor do I care about, Sue Lowden.

My point was that anecdotal stories are just that, anecdotal. They're great for inducing a teary-eyed, emotional response, but they generally fail to mean anything beyond that.

Got it no Sue Lowden....but what specific emotional response were you looking for from your comment "wonder how many illegal aliens and prison inmates received organ transplants?"?

 

[MG1968]

Got it no Sue Lowden....but what specific emotional response were you looking for from your comment "wonder how many illegal aliens and prison inmates received organ transplants?"?

I just asked the question. Perhaps it doesn't happen in Arizona, but it does happen elsewhere. Illegal aliens and prisoners shouldn't be eligible for medicaid/medicare provided transplants.