3 Point Shooting

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I agree with everyone who is saying that when TN cannot shoot the 3 pointer they have to have a plan B. After watching Wayne Chism play well against Purdue and horribly against USC, you would think Plan B would be to run a halfcourt offense and try to get something going inside.

Maybe our PGs suck so badly that Bruce cannot get a halfcourt offense run effectively, but he was supposed to do better recruiting than no competent PG since CJ Watson.

Anyway the point of this post is 3 point shooting. When UT got bombed a few years ago by good 3 point shooting against Texas A & M it is what it is. With Lofton we sometimes beat teams that were "better" than us with 3 pointers falling.

When Clemson lost to Illinois badly it was all 3 pointers misses by the Tigers.

UT against USC was something like 2-22 from 3. Do we need to freaking box out so much that I wanted to break my TV? Yes. But 3 point shooting was the reason we were not in the game.

Florida just lost their third straight which gives them the same number of losses as Michigan State (who they beat) and UNC and Butler. The overreaction of some on here is that Florida sucks. The South Alabama loss at home is a bad one but:

The Gators finished 3 of 22 from behind the arc, including 1 of 10 in the second half. South Alabama, meanwhile, connected on 7 of 11 from there.

Okay that is the story of the game. In the NCAA tournament, at least one and probably two teams will go down to a hot 3 point shooting team who should not be able to beat them. My dream scenario is we storm through the SEC, get a good seed, beat teams with transition baskets and pressure until we get to the part of the tournament (sweet 16) where a team packs it in and cannot be pressed and then Hopson and McBee and Tyler Smith and even Wayne Chism (who I want to be closer to the basket) all just rain 3s at a clip of 45-50% and we win going away against a "better" team. That is within the realm of possibility, but also with the way we play defense it is within the realm that a stud PG at a small school shreds us for 34 and we lose in the first round.

When a team shoots uncharacteristically poorly from 3 and another shoots much better than usual, it is not an indication that one team sucks or that the other is a world beater.
 
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Like Clark Kellogg always says around tournament time, a team that is to make a deep run must have excellent guard play.

I guess we can go ahead and accept the fact that we don't meet that criterion.
 
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But Florida's backcourt, Boynton and Walker, struggled all game. Boynton was 3 of 10 from the field. Walker was 3 of 11, including 0 for 6 from behind the arc.

Donovan told his players to stop shooting 3s at one point, and the Gators chipped into the lead with inside play from Tyus and Macklin.

From the same game wrap up. Wish Bruce would do what Donavan did. The Gators still lost but it was by 1 on a last second put back, not getting drilled by 20 like we did against USC.

Beav anyone who thought we would have excellent guard play this year was delusional. I never thought we would, I just thought that our other positions would be strong enough to overcome it. I did not count on Tyler Smith disappearing as a player into the same black hole that swallowed AJ Ogilvy.
 
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As soon as O'Neill got the job in the late spring, he was convinced he needed a point guard. But he wasn't going to rush someone into the job if he didn't think the player could be a fit. The Trojans' staff scoured the earth and couldn't find one that they wanted late. "I tried to get some guys, but the point guards weren't good enough," O'Neill said. "We ended up being stuck, and had to wait this thing out."

Andy Katz's Daily Word: Point guard Mike Gerrity makes an immediate impact with the USC Trojans - ESPN

Poor Bruce has been stuck since CJ Watson.

If Golden and Ware do not pan out, this program is going to continue to disappoint people. If both make it into the program and play poorly, you have to put it on Bruce because they both have all the talent in the world and look good playing AAU against some strong competition.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
But Florida's backcourt, Boynton and Walker, struggled all game. Boynton was 3 of 10 from the field. Walker was 3 of 11, including 0 for 6 from behind the arc.

Donovan told his players to stop shooting 3s at one point, and the Gators chipped into the lead with inside play from Tyus and Macklin.

From the same game wrap up. Wish Bruce would do what Donavan did. The Gators still lost but it was by 1 on a last second put back, not getting drilled by 20 like we did against USC.

Beav anyone who thought we would have excellent guard play this year was delusional. I never thought we would, I just thought that our other positions would be strong enough to overcome it. I did not count on Tyler Smith disappearing as a player into the same black hole that swallowed AJ Ogilvy.
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My point exactly. College basketball is a perimeter oriented game. If a team is fortunate enough to have some big bangers that get it done inside plus good guard play, they have a chance to make a run.

When our 4/5 are floating around on the perimeter half the time and our first big off the bench is the Gentle Giant (Williams), we definitely have some glaring weaknesses.
 
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beavbullvol said:
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My point exactly. College basketball is a perimeter oriented game. If a team is fortunate enough to have some big bangers that get it done inside plus good guard play, they have a chance to make a run.

When our 4/5 are floating around on the perimeter half the time and our first big off the bench is the Gentle Giant (Williams), we definitely have some glaring weaknesses.
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I bet that Chism could do work as long as he didnt have the mindset that he was a 6'10" post!
 
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there are two times when it's ok to shoot a three: when you are down by 20 and when you are shooting above 70%
 
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mtt2d said:
there are two times when it's ok to shoot a three: when you are down by 20 and when you are shooting above 70%
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So all of the teams in the country undefeated in the top 5 shooting 40% from three should never shoot three's unless:

1) they are up by 20 (which against most teams, they never are until at least the second half)

or

2) shooting 70% from three, which no teams in the country are doing, other than for a few fleeting seconds during a game.

Do you realize how utterly retarded this sounds?

Though thats a stupid question, because its obvious you don't.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
So all of the teams in the country undefeated in the top 5 shooting 40% from three should never shoot three's unless:

1) they are up by 20 (which against most teams, they never are until at least the second half)

or

2) shooting 70% from three, which no teams in the country are doing, other than for a few fleeting seconds during a game.

Do you realize how utterly retarded this sounds?

Though thats a stupid question, because its obvious you don't.
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
So all of the teams in the country undefeated in the top 5 shooting 40% from three should never shoot three's unless:

1) they are up by 20 (which against most teams, they never are until at least the second half)

or

2) shooting 70% from three, which no teams in the country are doing, other than for a few fleeting seconds during a game.

Do you realize how utterly retarded this sounds?

Though thats a stupid question, because its obvious you don't.
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did I say 70% from the 3?
 
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hwf, you just proved to me how much you know about the game. 70% from the 3? If someone is shooting that high of a percentage behind the arc they should shoot 3's all night.
 
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my point is 3 point shots should only be taken when a player is in the zone or when the team is desperate. if a player is having a bad night 15 feet away, i don't want him taking shots 21 feet away
 
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mtt2d said:
did I say 70% from the 3?
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Technically, no. But that does not help you any in the argument.

Your statement is still birdbrained and nescient. Nobody shoots 70% from the field (especially guards) for a sustained period during any game.

Good players take good shots when they come open, whether its behind the arc or not. I would love to see a D1 coach tell his players not to shoot unless in a zone or shooting 70%.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Technically, no. But that does not help you any in the argument.

Your statement is still birdbrained and nescient. Nobody shoots 70% from the field (especially guards) for a sustained period during any game.

Good players take good shots when they come open, whether its behind the arc or not. I would love to see a D1 coach tell his players not to shoot unless in a zone or shooting 70%.
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hwf, you're starting to act like ncaa basketball is the pros. Trust me, it's not.
 
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