A valuable lesson Tennessee has yet to learn

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whenever calls come to fire the coach there are many grown @ss men on this board that literally sh!t themselves with fear.

Why? Its because of the dumb way that Tennessee will let a coach hang around until they completely ruin the program to an unfixable level before they let them walk and make the program so undesirable that nobody will coach here. when in reality the only thing that matters is not who the coach is but what is the current state of the program. you need to preserve that.

what do Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU all have in common? they all made coaching transitions one way or another BEFORE the program was a disaster.

and did they make splash hires?

well Bama hires Deboer who was almost a nobody with just 3 years HC experience. those fans don't even like him. Tennessee fans never would not have considered this a splash hire for Tennessee.

Georgia hired a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Jeremy Pruitt 1.0. not a splash hire at the time.

OSU hired an assistant coach from within the program that nobody outside of OSU had ever even heard of.

what was far far far more important than who got hired is the fact that the program was NOT a disaster. it was NOT devoid of talent. that's because the coaching transition was allowed to happen BEFORE the coach ran the program into a ditch.

so people always love to say "oh yeah smart guy well who is your list of replacements?" and then they will act like they know something and start to disprove all your choices.

But I think the next splash hire in college football is not Lane Kiffin to LSU. its going to be a guy almost nobody has ever heard of, but he will be given the keys to a fully loaded team that isn't a disaster. and he will make a name for himself and only later will idiots call it a splash hire.

the key to making it to the elite level of college football is having lots and lots and lots of NIL money and not being afraid of change as long as that change happens BEFORE you become a 6-6 football team.

Regardless of who Heupel fires or hires for next year, we will lose a minimum of 4 games next year. that's a practical guarantee.

Tennessee won't win any SEC titles or national titles until they learn the lesson above.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
whenever calls come to fire the coach there are many grown @ss men on this board that literally sh!t themselves with fear.

Why? Its because of the dumb way that Tennessee will let a coach hang around until they completely ruin the program to an unfixable level before they let them walk and make the program so undesirable that nobody will coach here. when in reality the only thing that matters is not who the coach is but what is the current state of the program. you need to preserve that.

what do Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU all have in common? they all made coaching transitions one way or another BEFORE the program was a disaster.

and did they make splash hires?

well Bama hires Deboer who was almost a nobody with just 3 years HC experience. those fans don't even like him. Tennessee fans never would not have considered this a splash hire for Tennessee.

Georgia hired a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Jeremy Pruitt 1.0. not a splash hire at the time.

OSU hired an assistant coach from within the program that nobody outside of OSU had ever even heard of.

what was far far far more important than who got hired is the fact that the program was NOT a disaster. it was NOT devoid of talent. that's because the coaching transition was allowed to happen BEFORE the coach ran the program into a ditch.

so people always love to say "oh yeah smart guy well who is your list of replacements?" and then they will act like they know something and start to disprove all your choices.

But I think the next splash hire in college football is not Lane Kiffin to LSU. its going to be a guy almost nobody has ever heard of, but he will be given the keys to a fully loaded team that isn't a disaster. and he will make a name for himself and only later will idiots call it a splash hire.

the key to making it to the elite level of college football is having lots and lots and lots of NIL money and not being afraid of change as long as that change happens BEFORE you become a 6-6 football team.

Regardless of who Heupel fires or hires for next year, we will lose a minimum of 4 games next year. that's a practical guarantee.
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So, who you gonna hire?
 
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The_topis_Rocky89 said:
This post a little disingenuous- Kirby Smart was one of the hottest names in coaching for years before he left for UGA, Ryan Day basically has a job running on autopilot no where near the samething
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being a "hot name" ain't the same thing as being a proven head coach. only a proven head coach can even be considered a splash hire.

Ryan Day has been able to sustain OSU all on his own. but you're right he inherited a program with talent which is exactly what Tennessee has right now and exactly the point of this lesson.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
whenever calls come to fire the coach there are many grown @ss men on this board that literally sh!t themselves with fear.

Why? Its because of the dumb way that Tennessee will let a coach hang around until they completely ruin the program to an unfixable level before they let them walk and make the program so undesirable that nobody will coach here. when in reality the only thing that matters is not who the coach is but what is the current state of the program. you need to preserve that.

what do Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU all have in common? they all made coaching transitions one way or another BEFORE the program was a disaster.

and did they make splash hires?

well Bama hires Deboer who was almost a nobody with just 3 years HC experience. those fans don't even like him. Tennessee fans never would not have considered this a splash hire for Tennessee.

Georgia hired a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Jeremy Pruitt 1.0. not a splash hire at the time.

OSU hired an assistant coach from within the program that nobody outside of OSU had ever even heard of.

what was far far far more important than who got hired is the fact that the program was NOT a disaster. it was NOT devoid of talent. that's because the coaching transition was allowed to happen BEFORE the coach ran the program into a ditch.

so people always love to say "oh yeah smart guy well who is your list of replacements?" and then they will act like they know something and start to disprove all your choices.

But I think the next splash hire in college football is not Lane Kiffin to LSU. its going to be a guy almost nobody has ever heard of, but he will be given the keys to a fully loaded team that isn't a disaster. and he will make a name for himself and only later will idiots call it a splash hire.

the key to making it to the elite level of college football is having lots and lots and lots of NIL money and not being afraid of change as long as that change happens BEFORE you become a 6-6 football team.

Regardless of who Heupel fires or hires for next year, we will lose a minimum of 4 games next year. that's a practical guarantee.

Tennessee won't win any SEC titles or national titles until they learn the lesson above.
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Do you hold the record for most started threads?
 
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It's cult like the way some folks latch onto a coach. These multi millionaire coaches wouldn't give any of them the time of day. And these coaches will leave over more money and a better contract in a heartbeat. Really odd how emotional some folks get if anything negative is said about these overpaid PE teachers.
 
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mayneland said:
Ask them again!! It'll be nobody worth a damn coming to Tennessee..Tennessee will always have tough games no matter who's the coach..they better humble themselves or they'll be feeling like Memphis, Arkansas, and Ol'piss fans today 😆
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And right on cue you prove the OP point.....always with the "feelings"
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
being a "hot name" ain't the same thing as being a proven head coach. only a proven head coach can even be considered a splash hire.

Ryan Day has been able to sustain OSU all on his own. but you're right he inherited a program with talent which is exactly what Tennessee has right now and exactly the point of this lesson.
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If you think TN has anywhere near the B/C ratio OSU has you’re mistaken and need to look into the numbers. Look at Tns talent lvl before huep and since he’s got here. He’s raising the talent of the team year after year. Not to mention we play the most freshman of any team in college football rn, and huep has brought this program from the dumps . Also turns out we played 4 playoff teams this season. Our starting qb ditched before the spring game , our starting cbs which would put any d coordinator at a disadvantage but you would hope banks would’ve responded better . You can’t expect ur offense to score 45 every night . He’s the inconsistent I keep seeing so if anyone needs to go it’s him.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
whenever calls come to fire the coach there are many grown @ss men on this board that literally sh!t themselves with fear.

Why? Its because of the dumb way that Tennessee will let a coach hang around until they completely ruin the program to an unfixable level before they let them walk and make the program so undesirable that nobody will coach here. when in reality the only thing that matters is not who the coach is but what is the current state of the program. you need to preserve that.

what do Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU all have in common? they all made coaching transitions one way or another BEFORE the program was a disaster.

and did they make splash hires?

well Bama hires Deboer who was almost a nobody with just 3 years HC experience. those fans don't even like him. Tennessee fans never would not have considered this a splash hire for Tennessee.

Georgia hired a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Jeremy Pruitt 1.0. not a splash hire at the time.

OSU hired an assistant coach from within the program that nobody outside of OSU had ever even heard of.

what was far far far more important than who got hired is the fact that the program was NOT a disaster. it was NOT devoid of talent. that's because the coaching transition was allowed to happen BEFORE the coach ran the program into a ditch.

so people always love to say "oh yeah smart guy well who is your list of replacements?" and then they will act like they know something and start to disprove all your choices.

But I think the next splash hire in college football is not Lane Kiffin to LSU. its going to be a guy almost nobody has ever heard of, but he will be given the keys to a fully loaded team that isn't a disaster. and he will make a name for himself and only later will idiots call it a splash hire.

the key to making it to the elite level of college football is having lots and lots and lots of NIL money and not being afraid of change as long as that change happens BEFORE you become a 6-6 football team.

Regardless of who Heupel fires or hires for next year, we will lose a minimum of 4 games next year. that's a practical guarantee.

Tennessee won't win any SEC titles or national titles until they learn the lesson above.
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I don't know, it looks to me like Alabama made a lot of dumb coaching decisions too, and had just as much of a habit of waiting until they had a "wheels off the bus" season as anyone else. Both Dubose and Shula had a pooped-their-pants season before getting axed.

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Also, the same genius AD that hired Dennis "Fifth-Choice-ione," Mike Price, and Mike Shula, also hired Nick Saban. Funny how that stuff works, sometimes.
 
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Voltopia said:
I don't know, it looks to me like Alabama made a lot of "******" coaching decisions too, and had just as much of a habit of waiting until they had a "wheels off the bus" season as anyone else. Both Dubose and Shula had a pooped-their-pants season before getting axed.

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Also, the same genius AD that hired Dennis "Fifth-Choice-ione," Mike Price, and Mike Shula, also hired Nick Saban. Funny how that stuff works, sometimes.
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I agree they made a lot of bad hires, but this was a generation ago and college football was a completely different sport.

BUT even still they never let those guys go more than 4 years. they never cried "but but but he inherited a disaster give him 7 more years to rebuild!"
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
whenever calls come to fire the coach there are many grown @ss men on this board that literally sh!t themselves with fear.

Why? Its because of the dumb way that Tennessee will let a coach hang around until they completely ruin the program to an unfixable level before they let them walk and make the program so undesirable that nobody will coach here. when in reality the only thing that matters is not who the coach is but what is the current state of the program. you need to preserve that.

what do Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU all have in common? they all made coaching transitions one way or another BEFORE the program was a disaster.

and did they make splash hires?

well Bama hires Deboer who was almost a nobody with just 3 years HC experience. those fans don't even like him. Tennessee fans never would not have considered this a splash hire for Tennessee.

Georgia hired a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Jeremy Pruitt 1.0. not a splash hire at the time.

OSU hired an assistant coach from within the program that nobody outside of OSU had ever even heard of.

what was far far far more important than who got hired is the fact that the program was NOT a disaster. it was NOT devoid of talent. that's because the coaching transition was allowed to happen BEFORE the coach ran the program into a ditch.

so people always love to say "oh yeah smart guy well who is your list of replacements?" and then they will act like they know something and start to disprove all your choices.

But I think the next splash hire in college football is not Lane Kiffin to LSU. its going to be a guy almost nobody has ever heard of, but he will be given the keys to a fully loaded team that isn't a disaster. and he will make a name for himself and only later will idiots call it a splash hire.

the key to making it to the elite level of college football is having lots and lots and lots of NIL money and not being afraid of change as long as that change happens BEFORE you become a 6-6 football team.

Regardless of who Heupel fires or hires for next year, we will lose a minimum of 4 games next year. that's a practical guarantee.

Tennessee won't win any SEC titles or national titles until they learn the lesson above.
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A very concise and truthful post and I agree100% . As someone stated before Tennessee has the resources and fan base to hire an elite coach! But unfortunately Heupel has had 5 years and he has proven that he is a decent recruiter and offensive coordinator but not a great head coach . So sooner or later like was stated above we need to take the splash and hire the next wanna be saban or smart. He is out there but we need to have the guts to seek him!
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
I agree they made a lot of bad hires, but this was a generation ago and college football was a completely different sport.

BUT even still they never let those guys go more than 4 years. they never cried "but but but he inherited a disaster give him 7 more years to rebuild!"
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That's true, but I would submit Heupel has not had a trainwreck season yet. 8-4 isn't amazing but it's not a disaster. Now if he punches in a 4-8 season, or 5 or 6 wins, then it's a different conversation. Or if he enters Mark Richt territory, where he's constant bouncing between 8/9/10/11 wins every year, but never getting over the hump, then that's a different conversation also. Right now though, I just don't see that it's a crisis.

He has this offseason to get the defense right, and comes into next year with MacIntyre, Brandon, DeSean Bishop, Ethan Davis, Mike Matthews, Braylon Staley, etc. -- well, that is, if the NIL money is there to keep them all, and they choose to come back. I think we have to see how that goes.
 
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Tnphil said:
It's cult like the way some folks latch onto a coach. These multi millionaire coaches wouldn't give any of them the time of day.
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Actually, CJH and Barnes have both been very humble and personable to me. I want both to be successful and win championships. But, Heup has to make some really tough decisions this offseason, and I know it will be difficult to make changes when that involves people he cares about. In the end, it's a business, and it isn't always great when you are tied in with friends.
 
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Voltopia said:
That's true, but I would submit Heupel has not had a trainwreck season yet. 8-4 isn't amazing but it's not a disaster. Now if he punches in a 4-8 season, or 5 or 6 wins, then it's a different conversation. Or if he enters Mark Richt territory, where he's constant bouncing between 8/9/10/11 wins every year, but never getting over the hump, then that's a different conversation also. Right now though, I just don't see that it's a crisis.

He has this offseason to get the defense right, and comes into next year with MacIntyre, Brandon, DeSean Bishop, Ethan Davis, Mike Matthews, Braylon Staley, etc. -- well, that is, if the NIL money is there to keep them all, and they choose to come back. I think we have to see how that goes.
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I would argue he shouldn't be allowed to have a train wreck season. that's the kind of thing that makes our program undesirable. we need to hand over the keys before then.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Actually, CJH and Barnes have both been very humble and personable to me. I want both to be successful and win championships. But, Heup has to make some really tough decisions this offseason, and I know it will be difficult to make changes when that involves people he cares about. In the end, it's a business, and it isn't always great when you are tied in with friends.
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If he can't make those decisions for the betterment of the program then he has zero business being the HC.
 
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