If Knowles system takes a few years this tells me

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That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
 
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I think Coach Heupel probably believes that while it might take a couple of years for the new system to be fully implemented, anything that moves us back into the top half of the conference defensively next season is still a good move.

There’s that old saying “a good plan now is better than a great plan later.“.
 
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I think the narrative that it takes so much time is overblown. OSU weren't world beaters on defense in 2022, but they were noticeably better than the year before. We just fielded an atrocious defense this year. I have little doubt that we'll be far better next year, even if we aren't quite the 1939 squad come again yet.
 
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With the way players jump around from team to team, bail early to the pros, college football has almost become one and done programs. I'm not sure players hang around long enough to give you 2 years or more to develop a program. Unless you're willing to pay them big $$$
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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I had this same thought. And if that is the case, good.
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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Sorry, but this is just dumb.

Any athlete, any coach expects to “win now” every time they take the field.
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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I think we will have a better defense this year than we had last year. At least I believe we will be better tacklers. I have coached little leaders who tackle better than we did last year.
 
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ALLVOL 4LIFE said:
Penn State finished ranked in the 30’s on defense in year 1 with Knowles. I’d take that right now and hope for better. And know that it will get better as he goes forward.
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Their offense was fairly putrid. That probably had some adverse effects on the defense. Much like a quick scoring offense can be somewhat adverse to having a great defense.
 
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valoisvol said:
I don’t buy it. You have a whole year to learn. Players can’t be that stupid.
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Oh yes they can and many are. All they ever have had to do is play football. In TN. no student is required to "learn" their way through school to get diploma. If you play good sports, well going to class gets you by. So yes football players can be really stupid. If you doubt what I say just listen to them in interviews.
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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It’s not hard. In this era, Knowles needs to pluck as many Penn State defenders he had this past year. Especially in the secondary. That cuts the learning curve drastically. Just tell those guys to come on.
 
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The reality is that with the portal and NIL, he’s going to have to get his system to a point where it can be implemented quicker. He’s going to have meaningful, impact transfers and freshmen every year. If they can’t pick it up, he’s doomed. College football rosters are so fluid year to year that he has to make it take root each spring and early fall. A lot of guys aren’t staying 3-4 years at the same program.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
It’s not hard. In this era, Knowles needs to pluck as many Penn State defenders he had this past year. Especially in the secondary. That cuts the learning curve drastically. Just tell those guys to come on.
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There is a difference in experience and talent. I take talent every time. Less talented player make a lot s of mistakes because they just can not make the play.
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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SubVet676 said:
I think Coach Heupel probably believes that while it might take a couple of years for the new system to be fully implemented, anything that moves us back into the top half of the conference defensively next season is still a good move.

There’s that old saying “a good plan now is better than a great plan later.“.
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Interesting phrase you used.

I'll edit it.

It's a good plan now and great plan later. That's what Jim Knowles brings to the table.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
Even if they’re a mediocre defense next year it would be better than the product on the field this year.
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Exactly, we don’t have to be that much better to be successful. We need to get off the field more often on 3rd down and not let people extend drives. It’s one thing to have someone go 90 + yards in a game. You hate to have it, but that’s football. You can’t have multiple games where the defense allows multiple long drives and keeps our offense off the field and the defense gassed.
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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"A few years" isn't accurate. There has historically been a 1-year adjustment. Then it becomes elite in Year 2.

With the lifted practice restrictions in the last year or two (which really helped Aguilar), we'll see if the learning curve is as steep. There will be 4 install periods before next season, which hasn't been the case in the past. We do need to get the proper personnel in the portal, though. Namely Safeties and a big, space-eating DT or two.
 
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valoisvol said:
I don’t buy it. You have a whole year to learn. Players can’t be that stupid.
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Have you played football ever?

There's a whole process to just learn "verbage" alone. Not to mention applying that coded knowledge onto the field.

THen there's active defense vs reactive defense.
 
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