Are some coaches scared of the SEC?

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Penn St got Matt Campbell & Michigan got Willingham. Both Big 12 coaches with impressive records.

Florida, which I consider a better job than either of those got Jon Sumrall. Auburn, pretty much equivalent to them, got Alex Golesh. Both were American Athletic Conference guys, not Big 12.

Looking at the Penn St schedule next year I’m seeing why Campbell jumped. No Ohio St, no Oregon, no Indiana.
 
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Florida is a very good job, when they have a competent AD. In no world is it superior to Michigan. U of M has massive amounts of money, a huge brand, and a national recruiting footprint. It also towers over UF in terms of historical success. Take out Spurrier and Florida is east popcorn state next to Meatchicken.

Auburn is a tier below all three other schools you mention.
 
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wmcovol said:
Penn St got Matt Campbell & Michigan got Willingham. Both Big 12 coaches with impressive records.

Florida, which I consider a better job than either of those got Jon Sumrall. Auburn, pretty much equivalent to them, got Alex Golesh. Both were American Athletic Conference guys, not Big 12.

Looking at the Penn St schedule next year I’m seeing why Campbell jumped. No Ohio St, no Oregon, no Indiana.
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IMO

Feel like Auburn is a head coach chopping machine.

Their boosters need to layoff the admin. for long term stability.
 
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I'd think the easier path to the expanded playoff has to factor in to the calculation.

Some will view the SEC as the crucible that will forge their team into the hardened steel capable of winning the championship. Others will see the easier path and just hope for the best once they get to the playoff -- spin the big wheel.

Just making the playoffs consistently over time would all but guarantee a long and lucrative career at most programs. So it's hard to argue with that strategy.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
Florida is a very good job, when they have a competent AD. In no world is it superior to Michigan. U of M has massive amounts of money, a huge brand, and a national recruiting footprint. It also towers over UF in terms of historical success. Take out Spurrier and Florida is east popcorn state next to Meatchicken.

Auburn is a tier below all three other schools you mention.
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Yeah. Florida is a ".com" program. They didnt become relevant until the internet came around.
 
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wmcovol said:
Penn St got Matt Campbell & Michigan got Willingham. Both Big 12 coaches with impressive records.

Florida, which I consider a better job than either of those got Jon Sumrall. Auburn, pretty much equivalent to them, got Alex Golesh. Both were American Athletic Conference guys, not Big 12.

Looking at the Penn St schedule next year I’m seeing why Campbell jumped. No Ohio St, no Oregon, no Indiana.
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When it comes to Campbell, being afraid of the SEC is one way to look at it, the other is making smart career moves that are sustainable to his career.

I don’t think Willingham had announced his retirement until after the SEC carousel and Michigan’s debacle.
 
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The Big10 is an absolute cake walk compared to the SEC. So any coach offered a HC job at 1 of the 5 good schools in that conference would be a fool not to take it. OSU, ORE, PSU, MICH, USC play at the MOST 2 of the other 5 good teams per year. The rest of their schedule is against unranked teams or teams that should be unranked that recruit outside the top25 and have roster talent outside the top25. All those teams have to do in order to go 10-2 every year is beat the 10 unranked teams on their schedules...which of course they will be favored to do. They can lose to the only 2 good teams they play every year and still make the playoffs. If you look at the SEC schedules, all of us play 5 or more games vs teams ranked top25. Much much harder to make the playoffs. Night and day different.

247sports.com has composite talent ranks for the rosters in FBS. 14 out of 16 SEC teams are ranked top25. UK is 27th.

Fourteen out of 16. So 14 out of the 25 most talented rosters in FBS are in the SEC. The Big10 only has six...and thats only because they just added USC and ORE. Night and day different. We should have never gone to a 9game SEC schedule as long as the Big10 teams play 7 powderpuff unranked conference games every year in addition to their 3 cupcake ganes from OOC.
 
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Only dumb coaches avoid the SEC. You either come here and win your way to being one of the most respected coaches in the country and a huge paycheck, or you lose and take a fat sack of money with you to your next job.
 
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Cobb-Webb 1989 said:
IMO

Feel like Auburn is a head coach chopping machine.

Their boosters need to layoff the admin. for long term stability.
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In some kinda weird way, you almost have to respect it though.

Once it becomes clear that a coach is just not gonna make it, they're done.

We on the other hand love to give coaches "one more year" to turn it around.
 
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Campbell and Willingham were hot names for a while and they both turned down big opportunities. Then each had one or two rough years and fell out of favor. Seems like so many programs go for young, unproven coaches that have had maybe 1 or 2 good seasons.

Campbell and Winningham are home run hires. Considering where Penn St and Michigan were in their coaching searches the end result could not have been any better.
 
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Orange Navy said:
Campbell and Willingham were hot names for a while and they both turned down big opportunities. Then each had one or two rough years and fell out of favor. Seems like so many programs go for young, unproven coaches that have had maybe 1 or 2 good seasons.

Campbell and Winningham are home run hires. Considering where Penn St and Michigan were in their coaching searches the end result could not have been any better.
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Willingham was exactly what Michigan needed to stabilize their program and image. He will get them competitive and stable while they wade through the crapstorm that is their current situation. Utah made that deal and Kyle wanted out. Can't blame him.

Campbell, I hope he got a huge payday, because that program was in free fall. The first to fire a coach, one of the last to hire. They look ridiculous. Matt Campbell is not going to have any more success than Franklin had. If he is smart, he stays a year or two and then bolts for the NFL before they can him too. Or just wait it out and collect what im sure would be a massive buyout.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Yeah. Florida is a ".com" program. They didnt become relevant until the internet came around.
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Florida, Miami, and USC all benefited from 90’s/00’s hip hop & reality tv culture. Kids were more concerned with where they could see girls at the beach than being able to provide for their families.

Kellen Winslow Jr: “Ima soldier!”
Lendale White: “We need more thugs!”
Aaron Hernandez..
 
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Michigan and Penn State are attractive jobs becuase both programs have a sizeable advantage in resources compared to 75% of the rest of their conference. The path to success is much more feasible than coaching in the SEC. It's simply the smarter move.

Is it also becuase those coaches are scared? Maybe a little. But mostly those coaches had low pressure and low expectation jobs in the Big 12. Why trade that steady position for a mid tier SEC job where coaches average around 3 or 4 seasons?
 
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adam.vol said:
Florida, Miami, and USC all benefited from 90’s/00’s hip hop & reality tv culture. Kids were more concerned with where they could see girls at the beach than being able to provide for their families.

Kellen Winslow Jr: “Ima soldier!”
Lendale White: “We need more thugs!”
Aaron Hernandez..
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Can you please lookup when Miami and USC started winning their nattys.
 
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I think coaches without connections to the South are cognizant of an abstract cultural barrier with potential unwritten rules they may be unaware of.

Without close proximity to the SEC through family roots, player career, and/or assistant coaching stops, it's a daunting step.

Brian Kelly may very well have been given another year if he were a cultural fit and Shane Beamer might have been fired if he wasn't.
 
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wmcovol said:
Penn St got Matt Campbell & Michigan got Willingham. Both Big 12 coaches with impressive records.

Florida, which I consider a better job than either of those got Jon Sumrall. Auburn, pretty much equivalent to them, got Alex Golesh. Both were American Athletic Conference guys, not Big 12.

Looking at the Penn St schedule next year I’m seeing why Campbell jumped. No Ohio St, no Oregon, no Indiana.
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Michigan and PSU, were both kinda parallel universes w/ UT when we were getting every coach wrong. Michigan got Harbaugh and made them top tier relevant again. Franklin stabilized PSU to a higher level. Difference w/ Auburn is they haven't found sustained coach since Tuberville
 
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