Is Huepel’s system a two year learning curve?

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Here is the issue I have with the annual change at starting QB.

I do not know if Huepels system takes two years to fully grasp, and we have only had one QB start in back-to-back years under Huepel, but Hooker was good his first year and exceptional his second year under center with Huepel. He is the only one so far.

I am in the camp that, until proven otherwise, we need to get set up so we have the same QB under center for 2-3 years to fully be able to implement everything. Changing QBs each year does not do it.

So, next year I could get behind JA if we KNEW he would be here and eligible to see if the same holds true. If not, I am AGAINST another one year rental and say we just put GMAC or Frazier in there and take our lumps as the defense also gets implemented.

Then going into 2027, we have an improving defense and a QB on year two in the system.
 
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Poor roster management.

Heupel had opportunities to get GMac more playing experience.

He hardly let Nico play during Milton's last season.

Heupel has to get a good QB do the offense is good next season. The defense is so bad it may be disastrous if not.
 
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Nico was supposed to be starting this year and his family probably agrees with your take that the second year starting is the golden year in Heupel's offense. Nico and family tried to hostage the Vols using that belief.

That's the problem in this era: if you structure your system so that certain players are critical, basically use the pro model to "franchise" a player, you're setting yourself up to get held hostage financially by those critical players.

Now, we've hired Knowles who it is said also use a system which needs a year or two to fully implement and to run on all cylinders. Again, we need critical players to be there, know the system, make good decisions, etc and those players can leverage their critical status for NIL value using the portal.

This is why a team needs a huge pot of money in this era to be successful with critical players in place for a couple of years.

The other strategy is to rent players and quick coach them, keep your system simple but disciplined, and hope for the best.

The first method probably puts you in the CFP.

The second method probably puts you in the MCB.
 
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james_govols said:
Poor roster management.

Heupel had opportunities to get GMac more playing experience.

He hardly let Nico play during Milton's last season.

Heupel has to get a good QB do the offense is good next season. The defense is so bad it may be disastrous if not.
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100% agree with that. He don’t take advantage of opportunities to get younger players in-game experience for development.

You cannot duplicate in-game experience on the practice field.
 
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FranklinVFL said:
Here is the issue I have with the annual change at starting QB.

I do not know if Huepels system takes two years to fully grasp, and we have only had one QB start in back-to-back years under Huepel, but Hooker was good his first year and exceptional his second year under center with Huepel. He is the only one so far.

I am in the camp that, until proven otherwise, we need to get set up so we have the same QB under center for 2-3 years to fully be able to implement everything. Changing QBs each year does not do it.

So, next year I could get behind JA if we KNEW he would be here and eligible to see if the same holds true. If not, I am AGAINST another one year rental and say we just put GMAC or Frazier in there and take our lumps as the defense also gets implemented.

Then going into 2027, we have an improving defense and a QB on year two in the system.
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It’s a 7 year learning curve. Here’s to 2026
 
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At some point, the learning curve and bridge year excuses have to go away. It’s year 5, these are all his players and his system. If they aren’t getting it or achieving, it’s time to move on. But Heupel doesn’t do that, he doubles down. We’ve got players that have been in the system for a year or two that look like they’ve regressed when they do see the field. Again, a systemic problem.

In fact, we were told when he was hired to temper expectations until he has all of HIS players in the system. Well….here we are.
 
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DooleyOrangePants said:
At some point, the learning curve and bridge year excuses have to go away. It’s year 5, these are all his players and his system. If they aren’t getting it or achieving, it’s time to move on. But Heupel doesn’t do that, he doubles down. We’ve got players that have been in the system for a year or two that look like they’ve regressed when they do see the field. Again, a systemic problem.

In fact, we were told when he was hired to temper expectations until he has all of HIS players in the system. Well….here we are.
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Interesting stat I looked up concerning talent level concerning players drafted. I know young team vs older team affects this but it averages.

From 2000-2024 Tenn had 100 players drafted. Year 2000 is my thought on the latest era of college football. Average 4 per year
2021 - His 1st year, not his guys, with little talent had 2 drafted
2022. - Still not really his guys, had 5 drafted
2023 - Several of his guys, had 5 drafted
2024 - His team, had 3 drafted

15 drafted in 4 years. Almost the same average as history. Is the talent really getting better or is he just holding his won against everyone else.
 
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