NCAA, academics, and the portal

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This is a legitimate question for anyone who can answer. Has the ncaa totally abandoned the idea of the student-athlete? How do you have guys going to 6 different schools in 5 years? Is ”advancement towards a degree” just removed from scholarship papers and such? I’m a boomer and I remember every year between the end of the season and the bowl game where we would anxiously await to see who was going to be ineligible to play due to grades. Ha. Same for basketball. We always seemed to lose somebody who was ruled ineligible for the spring semester. Are they even going to school? I did hear Mendoza from IU talk about being a graduate student (graduated from Cal) and how he only took classes online now so he had more time. Wow. Wouldn’t you love to see Pavia’s transcript? How many Vandy classes do you think he passed?
 
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Redheads said:
This is a legitimate question for anyone who can answer. Has the ncaa totally abandoned the idea of the student-athlete? How do you have guys going to 6 different schools in 5 years? Is ”advancement towards a degree” just removed from scholarship papers and such? I’m a boomer and I remember every year between the end of the season and the bowl game where we would anxiously await to see who was going to be ineligible to play due to grades. Ha. Same for basketball. We always seemed to lose somebody who was ruled ineligible for the spring semester. Are they even going to school? I did hear Mendoza from IU talk about being a graduate student (graduated from Cal) and how he only took classes online now so he had more time. Wow. Wouldn’t you love to see Pavia’s transcript? How many Vandy classes do you think he passed?
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It appears that they have. When they allowed transfers initially, it was one time to play immediately "if you were in good academic standing"

That has never come into play again since all the lawsuits started because someone challenged the status quote
 
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Redheads said:
This is a legitimate question for anyone who can answer. Has the ncaa totally abandoned the idea of the student-athlete? How do you have guys going to 6 different schools in 5 years? Is ”advancement towards a degree” just removed from scholarship papers and such? I’m a boomer and I remember every year between the end of the season and the bowl game where we would anxiously await to see who was going to be ineligible to play due to grades. Ha. Same for basketball. We always seemed to lose somebody who was ruled ineligible for the spring semester. Are they even going to school? I did hear Mendoza from IU talk about being a graduate student (graduated from Cal) and how he only took classes online now so he had more time. Wow. Wouldn’t you love to see Pavia’s transcript? How many Vandy classes do you think he passed?
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The NCAA realized after UNC-Chapel Hill created fake classes, offered those fake classes to anyone, and got caught doing so that even much better than decent academic schools have no shame and will let athletics throw academics under the bus.

UNC academics got some limited probation for the incident, UNC Athletics got no penalty, so it's obvious what matters and UNC-Chapel Hill isn't historically a lousy, who cares school academically.

At that point what is the NCAA supposed to do? The schools will roll over and take it academically if they get caught so that athletics is left alone.

In the UNC case, the NCAA ended up powerless because academics took the hit and the NCAA cannot punish athletes for bogus academics that were available to all students.

Similarly, BTW, Baylor dodged the rape issues there because admins took the position that they didn't just ignore and barely investigate athletes accused of rape, they rarely seriously investigated any campus rape issues. Again, the NCAA was essentially powerless because they can't make a university police the campus for all students better.

It's the admins, really. They will roll completely over to have a winning athletics program.
 
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Flamparadiddle said:
And I got flamed on here a few months ago for saying the paid players (some paid very very well) don't need a scholarship. Let it go to an actual student.
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If you're a paid NIL athlete and you also have a scholarship, then the scholarship money needs to be counted as income on the player's taxes. And maybe it is. Maybe an accountant is part of each player's Agent team.

College football is being destroyed as surely as if it had been bought by a private equity firm... or run by Donald Sterling!
 
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BruisedOrange said:
If you're a paid NIL athlete and you also have a scholarship, then the scholarship money needs to be counted as income on the player's taxes. And maybe it is. Maybe an accountant is part of each player's Agent team.

College football is being destroyed as surely as if it had been bought by a private equity firm... or run by Donald Sterling!
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What a really bad idea.
 
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Years ago Vandy made an agreement with Peabody that allowed athletes to "attend" Peabody s classes so they could keep eligible. ( Vandy's standards were too high for them to keep or get most really good players). Some may remember a star guard on the b ball team who had a paper show up on the internet that would not have been passed in high school English class. It was really something to laugh over.
 
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savannahfan said:
Years ago Vandy made an agreement with Peabody that allowed athletes to "attend" Peabody s classes so they could keep eligible. ( Vandy's standards were too high for them to keep or get most really good players). Some may remember a star guard on the b ball team who had a paper show up on the internet that would not have been passed in high school English class. It was really something to laugh over.
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And even worse now the Harvard of the South takes transfers from New Mexico State. How bad academically is NMS, well US News ranks them #223 in public schools. MSU which is far and away the worst in the SEC is 10 places above NMS.
 
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Who remembers back in the good old days when the concept of “academic eligibility” used to surface occasionally? When’s the last time that was ever a concern for any player? Academics for athletes is a joke now.
 
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The NCAA has no authority over who the schools give a diploma to. That’s each school’s own responsibility and they can abuse it however they wish.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
If you're a paid NIL athlete and you also have a scholarship, then the scholarship money needs to be counted as income on the player's taxes. And maybe it is. Maybe an accountant is part of each player's Agent team.

College football is being destroyed as surely as if it had been bought by a private equity firm... or run by Donald Sterling!
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You can't count scholarships for tax purposes because they are not income
If the athlete is working toward a degree.

As far as "fake classes" it's 2025.
There are online video classes, Zoom classes, and degrees in sports management etc. that used to be considered "fake". Now people use that learning to have really good careers.

College football is fine. The system is different, that's all.
 
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