What is wrong with Estrella?

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Hasn’t scored the last couple games..looks completely lost the minimal minutes he is playing…is he still struggling from early season injuries? I had higher hopes for him this year but we’re getting a lot more from Carey. Right now, he looks like our worst big playing.
 
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This is why we need to develop Henderson. Gonna need more from our backcourt than we'd expected with Estrella basically being hit or miss on a game to game basis. Sure wouldn't plan on him going forward. Carey and Brown would be the focus. Consider anything you get from Estrella an unexpected bonus.
 
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What worries me most about Estrella is how mentally checked out he’s seemed when he comes in since SEC play started. Every game, almost immediately, he’s gotten pushed around on the glass and scored on. He’s always been someone that’s an emotional spark plug and instant offense when he gets on the court, so it’s been odd to see him this way. Whatever’s going on, I hope he gets it figured out. We need him back locked in like he was in Vegas.
 
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sigh. I don’t think it is really a full Estrella problem. Our back court is horrid at spacing defenses out. Almost every team compacts onto our offense. 2 on 1s all day long aren’t good for most players.
 
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etsuvol13 said:
sigh. I don’t think it is really a full Estrella problem. Our back court is horrid and spacing defenses out. Almost every team compacts onto our offense. 2 on 1s all day long aren’t good for most players.
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We don’t space well, I agree there. We also don’t move the ball well. I didn’t really notice it until last night, and it’s likely a result of poor spacing and movement, but we almost never see skip passes from UT this year. We saw them plenty the last couple years. As such, we’re making it easier on the defense to guard us. If we’re not going to move the ball well on the perimeter, then we better flash someone to the high post who can distribute or score.
 
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Last night was a new low for him. 9 minutes played and 0 points on 0-5 shooting for a 6-11 PF. Only 3 rebs in a game where we had 60 as a team! Add to it 3 TOs, and it was just a night to forget for JP.

Thankfully, Felix Okpara stepped up and played his best game in 6 weeks l, but Estrella is much better than what he's shown, recently. Competition is sure to be a consideration, but he was averaging 17.3 ppg on 71.4% shooting, and 8.7 rpg thru our first 3 games.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Last night was a new low for him. 9 minutes played and 0 points on 0-5 shooting for a 6-11 PF. Only 3 rebs in a game where we had 60 as a team! Add to it 3 TOs, and it was just a night to forget for JP.

Thankfully, Felix Okpara stepped up and played his best game in 6 weeks l, but Estrella is much better than what he's shown, recently. Competition is sure to be a consideration, but he was averaging 17.3 ppg on 71.4% shooting, and 8.7 rpg thru our first 3 games.
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Honestly I think consistency is big issue with all the bigs right now. Seems like each game one of them is having great game and another is having horrible game. Yesterday probably worst game I've seen Estrella play in a while though.
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with him.

He is a talented offensive player. But playing for Rick Barnes is hard. And he will bench you if you don't play how he game planned.

For instance, in the presser last night, he talks about how frustrated with the JP turnover where he got his pocket picked from behind because they covered that thoroughly in practice about how the press is actually most dangerous in the open court getting your from behind, not the ball pressure on the throw in.
 
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cbrown said:
That was me.
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And I agreed with you and still do. We're so quick to give up on players and pile on when they go through struggles. There are countless examples on this board alone. JP's main issue is his propensity for injury, and that is obviously a legitimate concern. But he absolutely has extremely high upside. There is no doubt in my mind that he could be a 18ppg/8rpg type guy for a major program. I know that opinion will probably be laughed at because it's cool to trash guys when they're down.
 
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StickMan said:
And I agreed with you and still do. We're so quick to give up on players and pile on when they go through struggles. There are countless examples on this board alone. JP's main issue is his propensity for injury, and that is obviously a legitimate concern. But he absolutely has extremely high upside. There is no doubt in my mind that he could be a 18ppg/8rpg type guy for a major program. I know that opinion will probably be laughed at because it's cool to trash guys when they're down.
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Yeah, the LOM's are out and spewing their ignorance
 
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hUTch2002 said:
We don’t space well, I agree there. We also don’t move the ball well. I didn’t really notice it until last night, and it’s likely a result of poor spacing and movement, but we almost never see skip passes from UT this year. We saw them plenty the last couple years. As such, we’re making it easier on the defense to guard us. If we’re not going to move the ball well on the perimeter, then we better flash someone to the high post who can distribute or score.
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You’re right. Defense is just resetting every time someone holds the ball and isn’t looking to score or working to get someone else open to score. Need to stop staring off into space every time we catch a pass.

Ball penetration is everything to offense. We don’t have everyone looking to drive to the basket and that’s why our offense is weak.
 
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adam.vol said:
You’re right. Defense is just resetting every time someone holds the ball and isn’t looking to score or working to get someone else open to score. Need to stop staring off into space every time we catch a pass.

Ball penetration is everything to offense. We don’t have everyone looking to drive to the basket and that’s why our offense is weak.
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And that’s why I’m excited to see 2 things:

1. Henderson get some meaningful PT. He can drive and dish.

2. Ament going to the basket. If he starts doing that with confidence like he did at times last night, he will be unstoppable one on one.
 
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Chaz-Vol said:
Honestly I think consistently is big issue with all the bigs right now. Seems like each game one of them is having great game and another is having horrible game. Yesterday probably worst game I've seen Estrella play in a while though.
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I agree. None of the bigs are consistent enough. Felix had what, one rebound against Florida. And Carey gets good position usually, but like Rick said..."do we really want him consistently going to the free throw line much". Last night he hit free throws though. And JP is prob our most athletic big but was atrocious last night. Rick also mentioned the team as a whole is really struggling to incorporate instruction and learned practice "muscle memory" to the game floor. Simple things we never catch during the game. I think if I were a coach...that one issue would drive me insane. Tell them what you want...come out of a timeout...and they do completely opposite. But Rick's team historically get much better as the season progresses.
 
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Estrella was in bad shape against A & M, while that team is short on height, the A & M squad is very physical, very quick and every player moves across the floor rapidly, J.P. never really had a chance against a team which appeared as a South Texas Hispanic version of Nolan Richardson's 40 minutes of hell.

The Tennessee offense has got to quit standing around or simply dribbling across the floor, the ball moves across the floor faster if you throw it, Tennessee is very easy to defend when standing around, shooting 30 foot jump shots as we saw in the first overtime which took us to the second overtime. Tennessee's half court offense is subpar, the standing around simply makes it that much worse.
 
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StickMan said:
And I agreed with you and still do. We're so quick to give up on players and pile on when they go through struggles. There are countless examples on this board alone. JP's main issue is his propensity for injury, and that is obviously a legitimate concern. But he absolutely has extremely high upside. There is no doubt in my mind that he could be a 18ppg/8rpg type guy for a major program. I know that opinion will probably be laughed at because it's cool to trash guys when they're down.
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You can say what you want but comparing this man to a hall of famer is just crazy
 
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cncchris33 said:
Last night was a new low for him. 9 minutes played and 0 points on 0-5 shooting for a 6-11 PF. Only 3 rebs in a game where we had 60 as a team! Add to it 3 TOs, and it was just a night to forget for JP.

Thankfully, Felix Okpara stepped up and played his best game in 6 weeks l, but Estrella is much better than what he's shown, recently. Competition is sure to be a consideration, but he was averaging 17.3 ppg on 71.4% shooting, and 8.7 rpg thru our first 3 games.
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Making Aidoo look consist and good.
 
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TartanTurff said:
Estrella was in bad shape against A & M, while that team is short on height, the A & M squad is very physical, very quick and every player moves across the floor rapidly, J.P. never really had a chance against a team which appeared as a South Texas Hispanic version of Nolan Richardson's 40 minutes of hell.

The Tennessee offense has got to quit standing around or simply dribbling across the floor, the ball moves across the floor faster if you throw it, Tennessee is very easy to defend when standing around, shooting 30 foot jump shots as we saw in the first overtime which took us to the second overtime. Tennessee's half court offense is subpar, the standing around simply makes it that much worse.
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Plus the refs let them be rough as H3ll and as Fishback said, A&M is bringing the physical and why not the refs cant call everything or we'd be here all night.
 
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