NIL impact on NFL Rookies

[utvols74]

Interesting quotes...

"He suggested that teams may increasingly need to evaluate not just talent, but maturity and mindset, when drafting or signing young players". I sort of thought they'd do this anyway, but perhaps not. Maybe NFL owners/coaches thought rookies were "moldable".

"....and others warning it may weaken traditional merit-based progression." I thought this phenomena would affect college and NFL locker rooms.

Link to short article...

Giants Rookie Cam Skattebo Warns NIL Money Is Creating Entitlement Among NFL Newcomers

New York Giants rookie running back Cam Skattebo is raising concerns about how college athletes’ earnings through Name, Image, and

truthbasedmedia.com

 

[OldLofter]

Interesting quotes...

"He suggested that teams may increasingly need to evaluate not just talent, but maturity and mindset, when drafting or signing young players". I sort of thought they'd do this anyway, but perhaps not. Maybe NFL owners/coaches thought rookies were "moldable".

"....and others warning it may weaken traditional merit-based progression." I thought this phenomena would affect college and NFL locker rooms.

Link to short article...

Giants Rookie Cam Skattebo Warns NIL Money Is Creating Entitlement Among NFL Newcomers

New York Giants rookie running back Cam Skattebo is raising concerns about how college athletes’ earnings through Name, Image, and

truthbasedmedia.com

An interesting unintended consequence. If you are a quarterback who has spent 3 or 4 years receiving multiple millions, you might want to think hard about “what do I do next?’
However, only a few players receive life changing money as a result of NIL.

 

[Volador]

An interesting unintended consequence. If you are a quarterback who has spent 3 or 4 years receiving multiple millions, you might want to think hard about “what do I do next?’
However, only a few players receive life changing money as a result of NIL.

Which, IMO, and perhaps IMO only, is wrong. A QB or RB or WR can't score if the front linemen aren't doing their jobs, so it's a shame, IMO again, that nobody thought to put a cap on NIL players and, make the distribution of NIL money more evenly divided amongst all players on the team. (and sorry if this logic offends anyone)

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Which, IMO, and perhaps IMO only, is wrong. A QB or RB or WR can't score if the front linemen aren't doing their jobs, so it's a shame, IMO again, that nobody thought to put a cap on NIL players and, make the distribution of NIL money more evenly divided amongst all players on the team. (and sorry if this logic offends anyone)

Why would any free market capitalist support that kind of Communist wealth redistribution?

 

[Hairy Vols]

Which, IMO, and perhaps IMO only, is wrong. A QB or RB or WR can't score if the front linemen aren't doing their jobs, so it's a shame, IMO again, that nobody thought to put a cap on NIL players and, make the distribution of NIL money more evenly divided amongst all players on the team. (and sorry if this logic offends anyone)

Not offensive. Just poor logic brother. NIL legally can not have a cap. You're suggesting something that is literally against the law. Maybe we should go to your job, determine if you're worth what you make, then divide it up between employees who make less?

 

[jeff1vol]

Why would any free market capitalist support that kind of Communist wealth redistribution?

In a sports team setting, pay for play salaries (which will happen eventually) will need to be standardized across the country. If they arent... players will simply go to X school because they pay more and its and endless, increasing, scale. This would literally cut the teams in p5 football to about 3 or 5. This is why the NFL has a salary cap. Think of the MLB. You have 2/3 teams now that will win the WS going forward because they pay more than anyone. See LA.
Now... any NIL money paid to the individual player can vary because the player is getting paid specifically for the use of his name, image, likeness, endorsements, etc.

 

[IndianaVol]

Which, IMO, and perhaps IMO only, is wrong. A QB or RB or WR can't score if the front linemen aren't doing their jobs, so it's a shame, IMO again, that nobody thought to put a cap on NIL players and, make the distribution of NIL money more evenly divided amongst all players on the team. (and sorry if this logic offends anyone)

I get what you are saying and where you are coming from here, brother.
I agree - but like others have pointed out, NIL money is not "pay for play", but a disguised way of making that a reality.
You can't put a cap on endorsement monies.

Eventually though, the people shelling out the cash (i.e., "the market") is going to have to balance and a natural cap at each position / level will find it's way.
Outside of an actual 'pay for play' system and there being some type of bargaining agreement, that is our best hope.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

In a sports team setting, pay for play salaries (which will happen eventually) will need to be standardized across the country. If they arent... players will simply go to X school because they pay more and its and endless, increasing, scale. This would literally cut the teams in p5 football to about 3 or 5. This is why the NFL has a salary cap. Think of the MLB. You have 2/3 teams now that will win the WS going forward because they pay more than anyone. See LA.
Now... any NIL money paid to the individual player can vary because the player is getting paid specifically for the use of his name, image, likeness, endorsements, etc.

False equivalence. The NFL has an antitrust exemption. The NCAA does not. No matter what the NCAA dies, they can't cap NIL.

Don't hold your breath about the NCAA getting an antitrust exemption. Congress has much bigger fish to fry.

 

[Hairy Vols]

In a sports team setting, pay for play salaries (which will happen eventually) will need to be standardized across the country. If they arent... players will simply go to X school because they pay more and its and endless, increasing, scale. This would literally cut the teams in p5 football to about 3 or 5. This is why the NFL has a salary cap. Think of the MLB. You have 2/3 teams now that will win the WS going forward because they pay more than anyone. See LA.
Now... any NIL money paid to the individual player can vary because the player is getting paid specifically for the use of his name, image, likeness, endorsements, etc.

The NFL has a salary cap. Not a cap on what players can make when it comes to NIL and self marketing. I've never heard of a restriction on endorsements. You are confusing the two as synonymous entities.

 

[njvols]

Which, IMO, and perhaps IMO only, is wrong. A QB or RB or WR can't score if the front linemen aren't doing their jobs, so it's a shame, IMO again, that nobody thought to put a cap on NIL players and, make the distribution of NIL money more evenly divided amongst all players on the team. (and sorry if this logic offends anyone)

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[OldLofter]

Which, IMO, and perhaps IMO only, is wrong. A QB or RB or WR can't score if the front linemen aren't doing their jobs, so it's a shame, IMO again, that nobody thought to put a cap on NIL players and, make the distribution of NIL money more evenly divided amongst all players on the team. (and sorry if this logic offends anyone)

Not offended. But, if you survey all of the college players who receive more than scholarship money, I’m betting that the BIG money goes to only a small percentage of the total. The exceptions would be the big hitters: Texas, Alabama, etc. Of course, none of us really know as this information is not made public.
‘But, it is the Wild, Wild West. Thanks to James West and Artemus Gordon. (This is an age test!)

 

[Unconditional Surrender]

Which, IMO, and perhaps IMO only, is wrong. A QB or RB or WR can't score if the front linemen aren't doing their jobs, so it's a shame, IMO again, that nobody thought to put a cap on NIL players and, make the distribution of NIL money more evenly divided amongst all players on the team. (and sorry if this logic offends anyone)

You're not wrong. People just can't make distinctions anymore. And the idea that regulating a market is communism is an indictment of our education system, or at least its graduates.

 

[Volador]

I get what you are saying and where you are coming from here, brother.
I agree - but like others have pointed out, NIL money is not "pay for play", but a disguised way of making that a reality.
You can't put a cap on endorsement monies.

Eventually though, the people shelling out the cash (i.e., "the market") is going to have to balance and a natural cap at each position / level will find it's way.
Outside of an actual 'pay for play' system and there being some type of bargaining agreement, that is our best hope.

Thanks for the logical reply. My issue with all this is that NIL did not have to happen. The NCAA could have taken a totally different approach and said "hey, let's pay the players" - and then build some guidelines on how that would happen what would be fair to all concerned - not just a couple of players on each team.

NIL has bastardized the one sport that sooo many people love/d and nobody seems to be overseeing NIL.

OK, off my soapbox. Bring back the good ol days, please!!

 

[Volador]

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Oh, I get it. Well done NJVol. You purdy smart, huh??

 

[jeff1vol]

The NFL has a salary cap. Not a cap on what players can make when it comes to NIL and self marketing. I've never heard of a restriction on endorsements. You are confusing the two as synonymous entities.

Read again. I never said a restriction on what they can make for their "individual" NIL. The rev sharing allotment of $20.5 million should be standardized.

 

[jeff1vol]

The NFL has a salary cap. Not a cap on what players can make when it comes to NIL and self marketing. I've never heard of a restriction on endorsements. You are confusing the two as synonymous entities.

You are correct. I never said a restriction on what they can make for their "individual" NIL. They can make as much as they can with that. The rev sharing allotment of $20.5 million should be standardized. That $20.5 comes from the univ to be shared with athletes. Thats what needs to be the same, IMO.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

You are correct. I never said a restriction on what they can make for their "individual" NIL. They can make as much as they can with that. The rev sharing allotment of $20.5 million should be standardized. That $20.5 comes from the univ to be shared with athletes. Thats what needs to be the same, IMO.

Why? It should be based on relative value to the team. There's no way a backup punt team gunner deserves the same share as the starting QB.

No business would survive a year paying their best sakes person the same as a rookie janitor.

 

[hog88]

There is nothing wrong with players getting paid for their NIL. There's nothing wrong with the collectives. Where the NCAA screwed the pooch was banning pay for play contracts and the way the transfer portal is set up.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Thanks for the logical reply. My issue with all this is that NIL did not have to happen. The NCAA could have taken a totally different approach and said "hey, let's pay the players" - and then build some guidelines on how that would happen what would be fair to all concerned - not just a couple of players on each team.

NIL has bastardized the one sport that sooo many people love/d and nobody seems to be overseeing NIL.

OK, off my soapbox. Bring back the good ol days, please!!

Unfortunately, the NCAA couldn't legally control and still can't legally control paying players.

Your notion that it "didn't have to be this way" is in direct contrast to the Supreme Court telling the NCAA they were running an illegal business which they couldn't control.

Your "build some guidelines" statement simply doesn't work because the NCAA STILL doesn't have the legal right to build guidelines and has been repeatedly told that by the courts.

 

[Volador]

Unfortunately, the NCAA couldn't legally control and still can't legally control paying players.

Your notion that it "didn't have to be this way" is in direct contrast to the Supreme Court telling the NCAA they were running an illegal business which they couldn't control.

Your "build some guidelines" statement simply doesn't work because the NCAA STILL doesn't have the legal right to build guidelines and has been repeatedly told that by the courts.

Just cannot believe that there was not a better solution than NIL

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Just cannot believe that there was not a better solution than NIL

Run an illegal business and you'll find it's difficult to control.

This is why drug dealers go armed.

The NCAA isn't legal and can't depend on the courts to allow "reasonable rules" any more than your local cartel.

 

[bigalvol27]

After reading this, I wonder why someone doesn’t create a collective to support their favorite NFL team. Seems like a way to get around the salary cap.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

After reading this, I wonder why someone doesn’t create a collective to support their favorite NFL team. Seems like a way to get around the salary cap.

The NFL has a collective bargaining agreement with the players in which they all agree, players, teams, and owners, not to use NIL like that.

They can do this with an "implied antitrust exemption" because they collective bargain as employees and employers.

The NCAA could do this also if they'd just agree the athletes are employees and not "student athletes." They won't, of course.

Edit: an example of Kawhi Leonard in the NBA and the Clippers getting caught trying this.

Report: Clippers skirted NBA salary cap with Kawhi Leonard payment

The Clippers reportedly have been accused of circumventing the NBA's salary cap by paying $28 million to Kawhi Leonard for a "no-show job."

www.espn.com

 

[Hairy Vols]

You are correct. I never said a restriction on what they can make for their "individual" NIL. They can make as much as they can with that. The rev sharing allotment of $20.5 million should be standardized. That $20.5 comes from the univ to be shared with athletes. Thats what needs to be the same, IMO.

Oh yeah 100%. When it comes to rev sharing it needs to be even across the board. Idc if its Alabama or UMass.

 

[YankeeVol]

Oh yeah 100%. When it comes to rev sharing it needs to be even across the board. Idc if its Alabama or UMass

UMass' endowment isn't even $20 mil.


*I'm sure it is, but still.