What if the NCAA and Junior College Association merged?

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If the NCAA took over the association that runs junior college sports and created rules for ALL schools ( minus NAIA), would that give them a better leg to stand on limiting the number of years student-athletes can play?
 
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Along those lines do you limit the player that attends JUCO at a team that did not offer the sport he / she wants to participate in?

Do you give JUCO players NIL like you the NCAA teams?

Besides them having no control - there are other issues that make them different.
 
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If there is no association between the 2 organizations I don’t see how the NCAA can arbitrarily and unilaterally decide what the rules for eligibility are between the two orgs. People playing in either make agreements for the singular orgs which have no association with each other. It’s like buying eggshell white paint from Lowe’s and then later buying eggshell white from Home Depot and becoming surprised when they are not matched at all.
A juco recruiter can tell you in good faith something way different than an NCAA recruiter can, it’s apples and oranges imo.
What should occur is there should be an agreement between the two organizations as to how based on the agreement they will treat eligibility between the two. Otherwise no agreement juco and NCAA have no effect on each other regarding eligibility imo.
 
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HeavenUniversity said:
If the NCAA took over the association that runs junior college sports and created rules for ALL schools ( minus NAIA), would that give them a better leg to stand on limiting the number of years student-athletes can play?
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Good luck getting than one past the Sherman Act.
 
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HeavenUniversity said:
If the NCAA took over the association that runs junior college sports and created rules for ALL schools ( minus NAIA), would that give them a better leg to stand on limiting the number of years student-athletes can play?
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I don't see a benefit for the few JUCOs that field teams nor for the NCAA.

More teams for the NCAA to govern when they can't successfully herd the cats they have doesn't seem appealing nor does having more non revenue schools in their roster, as most NCAA schools lose money on sports and I'm sure most JUCOs do also.

On the JUCO side, I'm doubtful they'd look forward to the "Hey, my school is in the JUCO NCAA division, let's sue them for....." that is invited by being anywhere near the NCAA currently.

There's not an upside for either side. The NCAA has WAY bigger problems controlling eligibility than the few JUCO kids who want more years. They're probably going to get sued, and possibly lose, for any eligibility rules as long as the student stays in school.
 
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Sarms58 said:
The NCAA should make the decision to treat JUCO like high school…it shouldn’t count against NCAA eligibiliy…
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They may be forced into that id Chambliss and Aguilar win their cases or even their injunctions. The NCAA may be trying to be defeated in detail in this issue by making every individual litigate it, get an injunction, and play without an actual judge's decision.

The problem with this is that if they piss off enough athletes, someone is going to take it federal, get enough plaintiffs to make it a class action, and then goodbye to another bad NCAA rule with inconsistent application.
 
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HeavenUniversity said:
If the NCAA took over the association that runs junior college sports and created rules for ALL schools ( minus NAIA), would that give them a better leg to stand on limiting the number of years student-athletes can play?
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No, the exact opposite. The NCAA is an illegal monopoly under the Antitrust laws now. Bringing even more schools under its sway would harm its argument even further (not that it has an argument). The only way there will be nationally enforceable rules again is if Congress (who passed the antitrust laws to start with, passes an exemption of some sort for college sports). That's the only way out. SCOTUS said the same in the Alston case. Any antitrust exemption likely to pass Congress will be conditional, the schools will have to meet conditions to be within a "safe harbor" exemption, this will likely involve sharing a percentage of revenue with athletes, which is fair, but in turn the schools would have rule making ability again. Everyone who loves college sports needs to get their head out of the sand and start putting pressure on Congress to do this as soon as possible.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
No, the exact opposite. The NCAA is an illegal monopoly under the Antitrust laws now. Bringing even more schools under its sway would harm its argument even further (not that it has an argument). The only way there will be nationally enforceable rules again is if Congress (who passed the antitrust laws to start with, passes an exemption of some sort for college sports). That's the only way out. SCOTUS said the same in the Alston case. Any antitrust exemption likely to pass Congress will be conditional, the schools will have to meet conditions to be within a "safe harbor" exemption, this will likely involve sharing a percentage of revenue with athletes, which is fair, but in turn the schools would have rule making ability again. Everyone who loves college sports needs to get their head out of the sand and start putting pressure on Congress to do this as soon as possible.
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I agree with the first part of your post, but not the part about Congress. If you want athlete unions and strikes, an antitrust exemption.is exactly how you get it.

The other issue is that the NCAA wants an antitrust exemption without granting employee status. That's schizo. They are likely going to have to choose between them in the unlikely event that Congress ever passes an ATE.
 
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Sarms58 said:
The NCAA should make the decision to treat JUCO like high school…it shouldn’t count against NCAA eligibiliy…
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If Juco doesnt count, you are going to be getting 26 year olds walking into freshman classes like:
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
I agree with the first part of your post, but not the part about Congress. If you want athlete unions and strikes, an antitrust exemption.is exactly how you get it.

The other issue is that the NCAA wants an antitrust exemption without granting employee status. That's schizo. They are likely going to have to choose between them in the unlikely event that Congress ever passes an ATE.
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Athletes unions and strikes are coming if Congress does nothing. I know you don't believe it but the whole thing is f-ed beyond reckoning without Congressional action. There might be a minor league "Vols, Inc." football team that survives and rents out Neyland for a time but that's all, it won't remain part of or associated with university long term. Without those connections to the university, minor league football will eventually be as popular as minor league baseball.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Athletes unions and strikes are coming if Congress does nothing. I know you don't believe it but the whole thing is f-ed beyond reckoning without Congressional action. There might be a minor league "Vols, Inc." football team that survives and rents out Neyland for a time but that's all, it won't remain part of or associated with university long term. Without those connections to the university, minor league football will eventually be as popular as minor league baseball.
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Maybe on collective bargaining. No on universities like UT giving up the cash cow.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It isn’t going to be a cash cow if some order and rules are not imposed, Florida State is like 300 million in debt or something and they won't be the last.
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That's because of their stadium investment. They will finance that over 20 or 25 years and it won't be a big deal.

Tennessee didn't have that issue, regardless.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
What part of the free market always corrects itself is difficult to understand.
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It will, which is why the revenue sports will break away from the schools because that's what correction sans congressional action is going to require. What survives won't be college football. It'll be the Richmond Braves. Have fun with that.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
No, the exact opposite. The NCAA is an illegal monopoly under the Antitrust laws now. Bringing even more schools under its sway would harm its argument even further (not that it has an argument). The only way there will be nationally enforceable rules again is if Congress (who passed the antitrust laws to start with, passes an exemption of some sort for college sports). That's the only way out. SCOTUS said the same in the Alston case. Any antitrust exemption likely to pass Congress will be conditional, the schools will have to meet conditions to be within a "safe harbor" exemption, this will likely involve sharing a percentage of revenue with athletes, which is fair, but in turn the schools would have rule making ability again. Everyone who loves college sports needs to get their head out of the sand and start putting pressure on Congress to do this as soon as possible.
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I agree with all of this except we, as commoners, don't have the money to influence Congress.

Our only real recourse is to somehow make this an election issue, get Trump somehow convinced a Sherman Act Exemption must be passed and get him to say "all my candidates will support it or else," or some nonsense like that.

Short of it somehow putting money in the pockets of Congress or being political suicide to oppose, it's a non issue for Congress.

Yes, it needs to happen but no..... fans "putting pressure on Congress" is not going to help.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It will, which is why the revenue sports will break away from the schools because that's what correction sans congressional action is going to require. What survives won't be college football. It'll be the Richmond Braves. Have fun with that.
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I have been hearing that canard since 2019. Yet college football is better than ever by every objective measure. The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.
 
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