Danny White CAN do nothing till April 1st

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Buyout/Termination Terms (Post 4-1-26)
Based on the amendment to her employment agreement and the initial contract structure:
  • 50% of Remaining Base Pay: If fired without cause on or after April 1, 2026, Tennessee would owe Caldwell 50% of her remaining base pay under the 5-year contract payable in monthly payments till contract ends. If KC gets another job, her payments reduced by her new salary at new job.
Till April 1st, he can say nothing or he owes her 100% or $4+ million as she can say the decision to fire was before April1st. So does he eat the $2+ million and hire new coach and spend another $5 to 10 Million to restock roster or let her stay and just spend the $5 to 10 Million? Keep her and the program could suffer in fan support and national spotlight? Will former players, fans, and donors stand for that?
 
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Danny White has already told us she's doing a great job and she's staying. Not sure what else he could say. He is not firing her. Kim Caldwell (gulp) will be our coach next year. We are stuck.

Also, sickening as it is to say, the assessment may be that the damage is already so bad it cant get much worse. As one particularly callous ICU doc used to say to us when calling a code , she's not going to get any deader. Caldwell has already sped through every neg barrier, Maybe next year we eat the dirt while doing a thorough search and hiring an actual coach.
 
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gymmlover said:
Buyout/Termination Terms (Post 4-1-26)
Based on the amendment to her employment agreement and the initial contract structure:
  • 50% of Remaining Base Pay: If fired without cause on or after April 1, 2026, Tennessee would owe Caldwell 50% of her remaining base pay under the 5-year contract payable in monthly payments till contract ends. If KC gets another job, her payments reduced by her new salary at new job.
Till April 1st, he can say nothing or he owes her 100% or $4+ million as she can say the decision to fire was before April1st. So does he eat the $2+ million and hire new coach and spend another $5 to 10 Million to restock roster or let her stay and just spend the $5 to 10 Million? Keep her and the program could suffer in fan support and national spotlight? Will former players, fans, and donors stand for that?
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I think ADDW knows CKC might be a sunk cost and keeping her based off past expenditures is not a good idea.
 
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gymmlover said:
Buyout/Termination Terms (Post 4-1-26)
Based on the amendment to her employment agreement and the initial contract structure:
  • 50% of Remaining Base Pay: If fired without cause on or after April 1, 2026, Tennessee would owe Caldwell 50% of her remaining base pay under the 5-year contract payable in monthly payments till contract ends. If KC gets another job, her payments reduced by her new salary at new job.
Till April 1st, he can say nothing or he owes her 100% or $4+ million as she can say the decision to fire was before April1st. So does he eat the $2+ million and hire new coach and spend another $5 to 10 Million to restock roster or let her stay and just spend the $5 to 10 Million? Keep her and the program could suffer in fan support and national spotlight? Will former players, fans, and donors stand for that?
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White better figure it out? Worst decision is the one not made. It is either YES or NO, but needing time to think about it is a MAYBE (total Grey area) for recruiting, retention and System change.
 
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VOLtaism said:
It will be hard for him to take it on the chin as a mistake of judgment on his part. He knew it was risky but she has gained experience and she has a stable full of top recruits. If she is able to keep those recruits from jumping into the portal she will get another year, if not, bye bye.
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Will be far costlier to keep her an extra year or two IMO: letting her damage this program and brand even further just to save a couple million here and there is very penny wise, pound foolish
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
Will be far costlier to keep her an extra year or two IMO: letting her damage this program and brand even further just to save a couple million here and there is very penny wise, pound foolish
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Yep, what if she wins 19 games next year? That’s an improvement, right? So, then you’re forced to go another? The bar is so low in terms of improving that bringing her back is only going to create more problems.
 
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glv98 said:
Danny White has already told us she's doing a great job and she's staying. Not sure what else he could say. He is not firing her. Kim Caldwell (gulp) will be our coach next year. We are stuck.

Also, sickening as it is to say, the assessment may be that the damage is already so bad it cant get much worse. As one particularly callous ICU doc used to say to us when calling a code , she's not going to get any deader. Caldwell has already sped through every neg barrier, Maybe next year we eat the dirt while doing a thorough search and hiring an actual coach.
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If DW is dumb enough to keep her around til next year, I hope there is some one at UT smart enough to get rid of both of them, but I highly doubt it. Keeping CKC around another year to completely destroy UT lady basketball is such a typical UT thing to do. See Derek Dooley and Butch Jones. She never tied the game or led the game yesterday and we had more prep band members in attendance than actual fans. Sure lets see more of that for another season. Maybe she can set the all time low attendance record at UT too. LOL!
 
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midtnvol2 said:
If DW is dumb enough to keep her around til next year, I hope there is some one at UT smart enough to get rid of both of them, but I highly doubt it. Keeping CKC around another year to completely destroy UT lady basketball is such a typical UT thing to do. See Derek Dooley and Butch Jones. She never tied the game or ledthe game yesterdday and we had more prep band members in attendance than actual fans. Sure lets see more of that for another season. Maybe she can set the all time low record attendance. LOL!
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There is a school of thought that the program is already so far down, having broken almost every negative record this year, that there's not much more damage to be done no matter what happens next season. Publications like the New York Times are writing soft obituaries for the program already this morning.

Hard as it is to publicly do nothing, hopefully a search for a quality coach is under way and will continue as long as it takes to find one. IMO, the worst damage would be yet another bad coaching hire, even worse than continuing to take beatdowns next year while we sort it all out.

I realize that is a sickening and sad place to be, but here we are.
 
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D day would be April 2nd if she is gone or retained we will know on that day. He could not do it a day earlier or a day later with the portal opening up April 6th. He might try to load her up with the best the portal has to offer. If that is what he does coaches better make a lot better decisions on players than the last time around. I would think this time they won't use the rankings actually look at film of players and see how they can fit cause with a few more scorers this season we do win a few more games. Shooting in the 30's seldom wins and that is what this team does.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I would think this time they won't use the rankings actually look at film of players and see how they can fit cause with a few more scorers this season we do win a few more games. Shooting in the 30's seldom wins and that is what this team does.
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I don't think they were going by ranking or film at all. I think the problem was not being able to land exactly the players we wanted to land who could do what we wanted them to do. Especially shooters.

So after the disaster this year we're going to be better able to land those players now? God help us.
 
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glv98 said:
There is a school of thought that the program is already so far down, having broken almost every negative record this year, that there's not much more damage to be done no matter what happens next season. Publications like the New York Times are writing soft obituaries for the program already this morning.

Hard as it is to publicly do nothing, hopefully a search for a quality coach is under way and will continue as long as it takes to find one. IMO, the worst damage would be yet another bad coaching hire, even worse than continuing to take beatdowns next year while we sort it all out.

I realize that is a sickening and sad place to be, but here we are.
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Being the total optimist maybe he can make her a coach with money get the top players in the portal surround Edwards with them and three point shooters and suddenly we win over 20 and everything is good again. That would be Plan A. Plan B would be clean house get an established coach maybe have a tough year if to many players leave or can't be replaced or they all still stay and we have a good year. Plan C would be keep her get some more Wolfenbargers, Robertsons, and head cases lose big and start all over the next season.
 
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WaywardVol said:
Yep, what if she wins 19 games next year? That’s an improvement, right? So, then you’re forced to go another? The bar is so low in terms of improving that bringing her back is only going to create more problems.
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I don't think that would matter too much. The LV standard is much higher than 19 wins. I mean, we fired the previous coach for 20 wins.
 
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glv98 said:
There is a school of thought that the program is already so far down, having broken almost every negative record this year, that there's not much more damage to be done no matter what happens next season. Publications like the New York Times are writing soft obituaries for the program already this morning.

Hard as it is to publicly do nothing, hopefully a search for a quality coach is under way and will continue as long as it takes to find one. IMO, the worst damage would be yet another bad coaching hire, even worse than continuing to take beatdowns next year while we sort it all out.

I realize that is a sickening and sad place to be, but here we are.
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Exactly. looking back the whole coaching search was rather quick and looked like not much attention was paid to it.Why make the school, players and fans continue to suffer? Do they need to see the total destruction and carnage first? CKC should have never been hired to begin with. If there is a secret search underway, I hope its not in the bargin bin like last time. Lets go for real proven coaches.
 
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glv98 said:
I don't think they were going by ranking or film at all. I think the problem was not being able to land exactly the players we wanted to land who could do what we wanted them to do. Especially shooters.

So after the disaster this year we're going to be better able to land those players now? God help us.
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No early start this year we can't portal until the 6th when other teams will be able to as well. We may be looking for walkons before it is all over.
 
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The AD could have a sit-down with Kim and explain that on April 2 he's going to fire her. But, if she resigns now -- make up any excuse she wants -- TN will give her the same termination money she would get if fired in April, but her resume would look a lot better when she was a candidate for a future coaching position at whatever level. The AD would even say how sorry he was sorry to see her go and give her a recommendation in the future. This would be a better option for Kim and the LV program. And the AD wouldn't have to admit he made a mistake so it would even be better for him. It wouldn't cost the school any more money, and the 10 days they'd pick up could be critical in recruitment and keeping the current players and recruits they want.
 
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glv98 said:
Danny White has already told us she's doing a great job and she's staying. Not sure what else he could say. He is not firing her. Kim Caldwell (gulp) will be our coach next year. We are stuck.

Also, sickening as it is to say, the assessment may be that the damage is already so bad it cant get much worse. As one particularly callous ICU doc used to say to us when calling a code , she's not going to get any deader. Caldwell has already sped through every neg barrier, Maybe next year we eat the dirt while doing a thorough search and hiring an actual coach.
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Unless Danny said she was doing a great job only to be able to ptove he had no intention of firing her before April 1.
 
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