New coach candidate ID criteria and process

[1reVOLver]

This thread is intended to discuss how candidates should be identified.
It is not intended to propose or promote any individuals. That is a fine topic for another thread.

Imagine you are the AD. What are some specific characteristics and achievements you would look for in developing a candidate list for a hypothetical post-Caldwell resurgence?

My own top of the head list follows. I would also invite a small group of respected WBB
people to advise me. For example, Candace Parker, Tara Vanderveer, Sue Bird, etc. No more than five, and working quietly behind the scenes, No public speaking on their advice. NDAs* in place. * Confidential Non-disclosure Agreements

———-


Young enough to hold the position for 6+ years before “normal “ retirement age. That might translate to ~current age 61 and younger.
Beware of phrasing or anything in writing or recorded speech that might run counter to laws.

Has a minimum of 5 years D1 Head Coach experience.

Has a record of substantial improvement of team record during current tenure.

Has a record of successful recruiting of high school players who have stayed with the team and improved over the course of their college years.

Has recruited portal players who became starters and who have had results at least as good as at previous school. No incoming portal players have transferred out.

If players have transferred out, they have gone to higher ranked teams. E.g., D 2 to D1, or D1 mid major to highly ranked D1 P4/5.
Example: Aneesha Morrow from DePaul to LSU.

No mass transfers out. (3+ from any one class, or 4+ total in any year)

Has reached NCAA tournament level _______. TBD

If non-P4, has won conference season or conference tournament.

If P4, has finished among top 3 in conference season record or played in conference tournament final game at least once in past ____ years.

1. DO offer your suggested criteria.
2. Do NOT propose or discuss any named candidates ; open a new thread for that.

 

[brittannica]

So organized! I would like to see, if a P4 coach, success in raising money for the program, support for other programs on campus, academic accomplishments of players (i.e., graduating on time mostly above and beyond that would be luxury).

 

[AllVols3]

This thread is intended to discuss how candidates should be identified.
It is not intended to propose or promote any individuals. That is a fine topic for another thread.

Imagine you are the AD. What are some specific characteristics and achievements you would look for in developing a candidate list for a hypothetical post-Caldwell resurgence?

My own top of the head list follows. I would also invite a small group of respected WBB
people to advise me. For example, Candace Parker, Tara Vanderveer, Sue Bird, etc. No more than five, and working quietly behind the scenes, No public speaking on their advice. NDAs* in place. * Confidential Non-disclosure Agreements

———-


Young enough to hold the position for 6+ years before “normal “ retirement age. That might translate to ~current age 61 and younger.
Beware of phrasing or anything in writing or recorded speech that might run counter to laws.

Has a minimum of 5 years D1 Head Coach experience.

Has a record of substantial improvement of team record during current tenure.

Has a record of successful recruiting of high school players who have stayed with the team and improved over the course of their college years.

Has recruited portal players who became starters and who have had results at least as good as at previous school. No incoming portal players have transferred out.

If players have transferred out, they have gone to higher ranked teams. E.g., D 2 to D1, or D1 mid major to highly ranked D1 P4/5.
Example: Aneesha Morrow from DePaul to LSU.

No mass transfers out. (3+ from any one class, or 4+ total in any year)

Has reached NCAA tournament level _______. TBD

If non-P4, has won conference season or conference tournament.

If P4, has finished among top 3 in conference season record or played in conference tournament final game at least once in past ____ years.

1. DO offer your suggested criteria.
2. Do NOT propose or discuss any named candidates ; open a new thread for that.

You can't bring in former players and coaches from other Universities. Why woukd they help Tennessee get back to the top. That's jmo , but why would they care if we ever get back to championship level.

 

[chuckiepoo]

This thread is intended to discuss how candidates should be identified.
It is not intended to propose or promote any individuals. That is a fine topic for another thread.

Imagine you are the AD. What are some specific characteristics and achievements you would look for in developing a candidate list for a hypothetical post-Caldwell resurgence?

My own top of the head list follows. I would also invite a small group of respected WBB
people to advise me. For example, Candace Parker, Tara Vanderveer, Sue Bird, etc. No more than five, and working quietly behind the scenes, No public speaking on their advice. NDAs* in place. * Confidential Non-disclosure Agreements

———-


Young enough to hold the position for 6+ years before “normal “ retirement age. That might translate to ~current age 61 and younger.
Beware of phrasing or anything in writing or recorded speech that might run counter to laws.

Has a minimum of 5 years D1 Head Coach experience.

Has a record of substantial improvement of team record during current tenure.

Has a record of successful recruiting of high school players who have stayed with the team and improved over the course of their college years.

Has recruited portal players who became starters and who have had results at least as good as at previous school. No incoming portal players have transferred out.

If players have transferred out, they have gone to higher ranked teams. E.g., D 2 to D1, or D1 mid major to highly ranked D1 P4/5.
Example: Aneesha Morrow from DePaul to LSU.

No mass transfers out. (3+ from any one class, or 4+ total in any year)

Has reached NCAA tournament level _______. TBD

If non-P4, has won conference season or conference tournament.

If P4, has finished among top 3 in conference season record or played in conference tournament final game at least once in past ____ years.

1. DO offer your suggested criteria.
2. Do NOT propose or discuss any named candidates ; open a new thread for that.

Only requirement I feel you neglected:

 

[1reVOLver]

Only requirement I feel you neglected:

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Your wish list is more ambitious than mine.

Back when Hector was a pup, I was asked to make up a similar wish list for
a commercial enterprise. The assignment assumed that no candidate would satisfy
all criteria, but the best way to raise the average competency of our professional staff was to try to hire people better than ourselves.

 

[1reVOLver]

You can't bring in former players and coaches from other Universities. Why woukd they help Tennessee get back to the top. That's jmo , but why would they care if we ever get back to championship level.

Some people grow up. They leave sophomoric attitudes behind when they enter the adult working world. Players from bitter college rivals find themselves as teammates in the WNBA. They develop new loyalties on and off the court. Fans? They hold onto their well honed grudges.

ETA: Some folks think an inbred worldview is healthy. Some don’t.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Your wish list is more ambitious than mine.

Back when Hector was a pup, I was asked to make up a similar wish list for
a commercial enterprise. The assignment assumed that no candidate would satisfy
all criteria, but the best way to raise the average competency of our professional staff was to try to hire people better than ourselves.

I could see how DW would have a problem with that philosophy.

I gave him credit for the hire based on the idea he had played basketball. That appears to have been an empty credential.

 

[AllVols3]

Some people grow up. They leave sophomoric attitudes behind when they enter the adult working world. Players from bitter college rivals find themselves as teammates in the WNBA. They develop new loyalties on and off the court. Fans? They hold onto their well honed grudges.

ETA: Some folks think an inbred worldview is healthy. Some don’t.
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I dont see that happening, but I could be wrong. I personally wouldn't bring in people from different Universities , again it's jmo

 

[stllvf]

has proven ability to communicate with the current culture of 18-22 women.


as brittiannica noted - players who are also students that being said - I quibble with Morrow and her million $ NIL
being used as example of transferring in.
include individuals who can rebuild - a legacy slowly but consistently.


I may be naive but the recognition of that the Lady Vols were once the best makes the job a desire for someone to leave their current job.

seek a rising star or a steady hand ?

 

[1reVOLver]

I dont see that happening, but I could be wrong. I personally wouldn't bring in people from different Universities , again it's jmo

Agreement isn’t a requirement here. Vigorous, civil arguments are fine.

My geriatric memory keeps me from recalling the name of the excellent Lady Vol post player who joined the Seattle team in the W. Mercedes Russell? She and Bird were teammates. I would guess their different college’s past rivalries didn’t come up in practices or games.

 

[1reVOLver]

You can't bring in former players and coaches from other Universities. Why woukd they help Tennessee get back to the top. That's jmo , but why would they care if we ever get back to championship level.

Here is a list of noteworthy UT Knoxville academic leaders, together with the names of their highest graduate degree schools. All but one are not UTK. Should sports not follow the example of hiring advisors based on competency?

Here are the deans and administrators at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, with the names of the schools that granted their highest degree (PhD or equivalent,
italicized):

• David G. White, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, Herbert College of Agriculture; PhD from Pennsylvania State University.
• Jason Young, BS, MArch - Dean, College of Architecture and Design; MArch from Rice University.
• R.J. Hinde, BS, PhD - Interim Executive Dean, College of Arts and Science; PhD from the University of Chicago.
• Stephen L. Mangum, BS, MBA, PhD - Dean, Haslam College of Business; PhD from George Washington University.
• Joseph Mazer, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, College of Communication and Information; PhD from Ohio State University [2.2.8 (via Google Scholar)].
• Ellen McIntyre, BA, MA, PhD - Dean, College of Education, Health, and Human Sciences; PhD from the University of Massachusetts.
• Ozlem Kilic, BS, MS, DSc - Dean, College of Emerging and Collaborative Studies; DSc from George Washington University.
• Matthew Mench, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, Tickle College of Engineering; PhD from Pennsylvania State University.
• Lonnie T. Brown, Jr., BS, JD - Dean, Frank Winston College of Law; JD from Vanderbilt University.
• Jeffrey Pappas, BM, MM, DMA - Dean, Natalie L. Haslam College of Music; DMA from the University of Iowa.
• Victoria Niederhauser, BSN, MSN, DrPH - Dean, College of Nursing; DrPH from the University of Hawaii at Manoa.
• Lori Messinger, BA, MA, MSSW, PhD - Dean, College of Social Work; PhD from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
• Paul J. Plummer, BS, DVM, PhD - Dean, College of Veterinary Medicine; PhD from Iowa State University.
• Marianne Wanamaker, BA, MA, PhD – Dean, Howard H. Baker Jr. School of Public Policy and Public Affairs; PhD from Northwestern University.
• Marieke Van Puymbroeck, BS, MS, PhD - Vice Provost and Dean of the Graduate School; PhD from the University of Florida.
• Byron Hughes, BS, MS, PhD - Assistant Vice Chancellor for Student Life and Dean of Students; PhD from Virginia Tech.
• Robert Burns, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, UT Extension; PhD from the University of Tennessee.
• Hongwei Xin, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, UT AgResearch; PhD from the University of Nebraska.
• Steven E. Smith, BA, MA, ML, PhD - Dean of University Libraries; PhD from Texas A&M University.

 

[rickyyrs]

You can't bring in former players and coaches from other Universities. Why woukd they help Tennessee get back to the top. That's jmo , but why would they care if we ever get back to championship level.

1. They would get a good pay check. 2. Shea Ralph at Vandy her college career was at UConn. She has Vandy playing pretty good.

 

[VintageFan]

has proven ability to communicate with the current culture of 18-22 women.


as brittiannica noted - players who are also students that being said - I quibble with Morrow and her million $ NIL
being used as example of transferring in.
include individuals who can rebuild - a legacy slowly but consistently.


I may be naive but the recognition of that the Lady Vols were once the best makes the job a desire for someone to leave their current job.

seek a rising star or a steady hand ?

You mentioned that any prospective head coach should have demonstrated successful experience in communicating with players in today's 18 – 22 culture. I agree, and would expand that to require experience with teams that are racially, ethnically and culturally diverse. It's something we take for granted in the SEC, but there are many successful Div 1 and 2 programs in the Midwest and Northwest that have very little or no diversity at all.

 

[AllVols3]

Here is a list of noteworthy UT Knoxville academic leaders,mtogether with the names of their highest graduate degree schools. All but one are not UTK. Should sports not follow the example of hiring advisors based on competency?

Here are the deans and administrators at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, with the names of the schools that granted their highest degree (PhD or equivalent,
italicized):

• David G. White, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, Herbert College of Agriculture; PhD from Pennsylvania State University.
• Jason Young, BS, MArch - Dean, College of Architecture and Design; MArch from Rice University.
• R.J. Hinde, BS, PhD - Interim Executive Dean, College of Arts and Science; PhD from the University of Chicago.
• Stephen L. Mangum, BS, MBA, PhD - Dean, Haslam College of Business; PhD from George Washington University.
• Joseph Mazer, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, College of Communication and Information; PhD from Ohio State University [2.2.8 (via Google Scholar)].
• Ellen McIntyre, BA, MA, PhD - Dean, College of Education, Health, and Human Sciences; PhD from the University of Massachusetts.
• Ozlem Kilic, BS, MS, DSc - Dean, College of Emerging and Collaborative Studies; DSc from George Washington University.
• Matthew Mench, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, Tickle College of Engineering; PhD from Pennsylvania State University.
• Lonnie T. Brown, Jr., BS, JD - Dean, Frank Winston College of Law; JD from Vanderbilt University.
• Jeffrey Pappas, BM, MM, DMA - Dean, Natalie L. Haslam College of Music; DMA from the University of Iowa.
• Victoria Niederhauser, BSN, MSN, DrPH - Dean, College of Nursing; DrPH from the University of Hawaii at Manoa.
• Lori Messinger, BA, MA, MSSW, PhD - Dean, College of Social Work; PhD from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
• Paul J. Plummer, BS, DVM, PhD - Dean, College of Veterinary Medicine; PhD from Iowa State University.
• Marianne Wanamaker, BA, MA, PhD – Dean, Howard H. Baker Jr. School of Public Policy and Public Affairs; PhD from Northwestern University.
• Marieke Van Puymbroeck, BS, MS, PhD - Vice Provost and Dean of the Graduate School; PhD from the University of Florida.
• Byron Hughes, BS, MS, PhD - Assistant Vice Chancellor for Student Life and Dean of Students; PhD from Virginia Tech.
• Robert Burns, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, UT Extension; PhD from the University of Tennessee.
• Hongwei Xin, BS, MS, PhD - Dean, UT AgResearch; PhD from the University of Nebraska.
• Steven E. Smith, BA, MA, ML, PhD - Dean of University Libraries; PhD from Texas A&M University.

Luckily they dont hire coaches , now do they? That is a bit of a stretch to bring professors out to fit your narrative. Having Sue Bird (who hates UT) and Tara( worried more about Stanford than UT) is just dumb, imo. Its ok if you disagree.

 

[AllVols3]

1. They would get a good pay check. 2. Shea Ralph at Vandy her college career was at UConn. She has Vandy playing pretty good.

Again another one that hates UT and had to take whatever job she could get at the time. Idc what they do as long as ut works, but my opinion is my opinion

 

[creekdipper]

You can't bring in former players and coaches from other Universities. Why woukd they help Tennessee get back to the top. That's jmo , but why would they care if we ever get back to championship level.

Becoming the highest-paid coach in the game is pretty good incentive.

 

[1reVOLver]

Luckily they dont hire coaches , now do they? That is a bit of a stretch to bring professors out to fit your narrative. Having Sue Bird (who hates UT) and Tara( worried more about Stanford than UT) is just dumb, imo. Its ok if you disagree.

I imagine Bird as an undergrad had no fondness towards UT. That was decades—plural—ago. So I not only disagree, I don’t believe what you have said is true because (1) there is no factual backup and (2) it’s illogical. She got along just fine with a UT LV teammate. That doesn’t suggest hatred.

Tara coached at more than one school. She is a calm, thoughtful, rational adult. If hired to consult on criteria and candidates she would either decline the job if prejudiced or do it objectively.

So we have a friendly disagreement.

 

[Volle]

#1) D-1 head coach for five years should've been at the top of Danny's list!

 

[Raebo]

Ability to adjust their offense/defense based on the players‘s abilities AND the team they are playing! Able to switch to half court or full court, man to man or zone, etc.. Ability to make in game adjustments.
Their teams always play hard even when overmatched. IE always competitive.
Can communicate their reasoning to team. Respected by players but won’t be a buddy, buddy. Players will know they better do as coach says.
Along with the other usual stuff like recruiting a team to fill various roles, etc.. IE a couple pure shooters, a couple great rebounders, a couple very good ball handlers, 2 or 3 great defensive players to handle the best scorers on the other team and a couple good go to players that can create and score. Recruit players that put team over self.

 

[AllVols3]

Becoming the highest-paid coach in the game is pretty good incentive.

It may take that to get the right coach

 

[madtownvol]

This thread is intended to discuss how candidates should be identified.
It is not intended to propose or promote any individuals. That is a fine topic for another thread.

Imagine you are the AD. What are some specific characteristics and achievements you would look for in developing a candidate list for a hypothetical post-Caldwell resurgence?

My own top of the head list follows. I would also invite a small group of respected WBB
people to advise me. For example, Candace Parker, Tara Vanderveer, Sue Bird, etc. No more than five, and working quietly behind the scenes, No public speaking on their advice. NDAs* in place. * Confidential Non-disclosure Agreements

———-


Young enough to hold the position for 6+ years before “normal “ retirement age. That might translate to ~current age 61 and younger.
Beware of phrasing or anything in writing or recorded speech that might run counter to laws.

Has a minimum of 5 years D1 Head Coach experience.

Has a record of substantial improvement of team record during current tenure.

Has a record of successful recruiting of high school players who have stayed with the team and improved over the course of their college years.

Has recruited portal players who became starters and who have had results at least as good as at previous school. No incoming portal players have transferred out.

If players have transferred out, they have gone to higher ranked teams. E.g., D 2 to D1, or D1 mid major to highly ranked D1 P4/5.
Example: Aneesha Morrow from DePaul to LSU.

No mass transfers out. (3+ from any one class, or 4+ total in any year)

Has reached NCAA tournament level _______. TBD

If non-P4, has won conference season or conference tournament.

If P4, has finished among top 3 in conference season record or played in conference tournament final game at least once in past ____ years.

1. DO offer your suggested criteria.
2. Do NOT propose or discuss any named candidates ; open a new thread for that.

Edited, realized I violated the rules of the thread.

 

[AllVols3]

I imagine Bird as an undergrad had no fondness towards UT. That was decades—plural—ago. So I not only disagree, I don’t believe what you have said is true because (1) there is no factual backup and (2) it’s illogical. She got along just fine with a UT LV teammate. That doesn’t suggest hatred.

Tara coached at more than one school. She is a calm, thoughtful, rational adult. If hired to consult on criteria and candidates she would either decline the job if prejudiced or do it objectively.

So we have a friendly disagreement.

True that. We definitely disagree. CP3, Holdsckaw, and Catchings are the 3 they need on that advisory committee, not outsiders that could careless whether UT is back or not. Either way I hope we hire the right coach if he fires CKC. Do you think CKC should be fired?

 

[1reVOLver]

True that. We definitely disagree. CP3, Holdsckaw, and Catchings are the 3 they need on that advisory committee, not outsiders that could careless whether UT is back or not. Either way I hope we hire the right coach if he fires CKC. Do you think CKC should be fired?

A week ago I thought UT would look bad to recruits and future HC prospects if CKC were canned after only two years. So I advocated for another year and then re-evaluate.
But after her press conferences it became clear to me that the sooner she goes, the better.

 

[ScreamingEagleVol]

True that. We definitely disagree. CP3, Holdsckaw, and Catchings are the 3 they need on that advisory committee, not outsiders that could careless whether UT is back or not. Either way I hope we hire the right coach if he fires CKC. Do you think CKC should be fired?

I think Kim and the school should part ways.
In regards to an earlier post by you in regards to why a coach would help UT rebuild, why not? Kara seems to care a hell of a lot about how Duke does. Kellie seems to care about how Mizzou does. Mulkey had zero ties to Baylor. The competitive coaches go where challenges present themselves. Right now, Tennessee LVBB is definitely a challenge.

 

[1reVOLver]

Edited, realized I violated the rules of the thread.

Please, pretty please, start a thread with candidates, rationales, qualifications and all that good stuff. Then I can mention my five or six perfectly ideal choices.