Josh Dobbs and UT Aerospace Engineers at Artemis 2 Launch

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dobre_shunka said:
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Not a fan of a kid using that language but it sure is an appropriate response🤣
These reporters can sure ask some dumb questions at times. Saw one asking during the press conference, what time will they eat and are their meals planned?🙄
There were a few more that would've been answered I'm sure if they bothered to read the press release kit
 
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Swiftybaby said:
But I was just told days ago by a well informed poster than Josh is no longer involved in aerospace and couldn’t get a job in the field if he wanted
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Whoever posted that is completely clueless. He could decide to retire some random morning, make one phone call, and have a job in Aerospace Engineering by lunchtime. Heck, he likely has standing offers. So, the phone call might be just be to tell them when he'll be there.
 
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basspond said:
Whoever posted that is completely clueless. He could decide to retire some random morning, make one phone call, and have a job in Aerospace Engineering by lunchtime. Heck, he likely has standing offers. So, the phone call might be just be to tell them when he'll be there.
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He's 10 years removed from the field. He's not done NASA internships in 10 years.

Why is it so hard for you guys to realize those UT students he's pictured with are more up to date and better candidates than a UT grad who has spent the last 10 years in another field.

You can't leave a field like aerospace engineering for 10 years and be a "just pick up the phone and get hired" candidate.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
He's 10 years removed from the field. He's not done NASA internships in 10 years.

Why is it so hard for you guys to realize those UT students he's pictured with are more up to date and better candidates than a UT grad who has spent the last 10 years in another field.

You can't leave a field like aerospace engineering for 10 years and be a "just pick up the phone and get hired" candidate.
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He absolutely can and those may or not be whiz kids but, he's not just Josh Dobbs the former BSAE graduate, he was an absolutely exceptional student. He didn't get dumber. He has God given intelligence; maybe higher than his athletic ability. You don't learn how to be a Aeronautical Engineer in an undergraduate program. You learn the science, theory, laws, concepts, mathematical basis of engineering, etc.. You use that educated basis throughout your career to develop and become a hopefully very skilled, knowledgeable, and valuable engineer. Many people who complete an engineering program have a natural ability to understand complex engineering type concepts more quickly and then use logic and their knowledge to find a solution to a problem. Josh has very likely not lost any of that ability. Not trying to be humorous but, he hasn't been hit too many times for me to worry about his mental acuity.
 
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basspond said:
He absolutely can and those may or not be whiz kids but, he's not just Josh Dobbs the former BSAE graduate, he was an absolutely exceptional student. He didn't get dumber. He has God given intelligence; maybe higher than his athletic ability. You don't learn how to be a Aeronautical Engineer in an undergraduate program. You learn the science, theory, laws, concepts, mathematical basis of engineering, etc.. You use that educated basis throughout your career to develop and become a hopefully very skilled, knowledgeable, and valuable engineer. Many people who complete an engineering program have a natural ability to understand complex engineering type concepts more quickly and then use logic and their knowledge to find a solution to a problem. Josh has very likely not lost any of that ability. Not trying to be humorous but, he hasn't been hit too many times for me to worry about his mental acuity.
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That's BS. You make it sound like leaving a field for a decade doesn't matter when it does.

Josh Dobbs made a choice to follow football not aerospace engineering. Lots of students make a similar choice out of college and pursue fields unrelated to their major. It doesn't mean they can still "pick up the phone and have a job by lunch" in their old major.

Just be realistic. Josh Dobbs is a very, very bright man and knows he's made a choice at this point in his life to pursue football, not engineering.

It's no slight on him. VERY, VERY few people could do what he's done in football and many more could pursue a career in aerospace engineering. He has done very well with the gifts he's been given.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
He's 10 years removed from the field. He's not done NASA internships in 10 years.

Why is it so hard for you guys to realize those UT students he's pictured with are more up to date and better candidates than a UT grad who has spent the last 10 years in another field.

You can't leave a field like aerospace engineering for 10 years and be a "just pick up the phone and get hired" candidate.
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The launch Dobbs just attended used engines and other major components designed in the 1970's.

The Bernoulli principle, the ideal rocket equation and other engineering principles haven't changed since he graduated. And I'm saying this as a 1988 Aerospace graduate.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
The launch Dobbs just attended used engines and other major components designed in the 1970's.

The Bernoulli principle, the ideal rocket equation and other engineering principles haven't changed since he graduated. And I'm saying this as a 1988 Aerospace graduate.
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Did you leave aerospace and come back more than a decade later and have people beating down your door to hire you? As a grad, do you believe that to be reasonable for the profession?

Seriously?
 
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dobre_shunka said:
Seriously, stop digging yourself deeper. You don't know enough to know you don't know anything about this.
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I do know that after 10+ years of no engineering experience, Josh Dobbs isn't having people beat down his door to hire him as an engineer.

That's my only issue here. Just because he is a great VFL and graduated with a highly regarded degree and is obviously is a very intelligent man, that doesn't mean he's ready to be an engineer after all these years away from full-time or even internship work in the field.

It's devaluing to the program if nothing new has been taught in 10+ years since Dobbs graduated and I know that is not the case.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I do know that after 10+ years of no engineering experience, Josh Dobbs isn't having people beat down his door to hire him as an engineer.

That's my only issue here. Just because he is a great VFL and graduated with a highly regarded degree and is obviously is a very intelligent man, that doesn't mean he's ready to be an engineer after all these years away from full-time or even internship work in the field.

It's devaluing to the program if nothing new has been taught in 10+ years since Dobbs graduated and I know that is not the case.
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As far as NASA goes, it hasn't been 10 years, as he participated in the NFLPA externship program with them in 2020 and 2021. NASA has continued to include him in their PR campaigns. I don't know that he would slide into an engineer role, but he wouldn't be the oldest new engineer they've had even if he takes time to get a "refresher". Like any engineer he'll learn more on the first year on the job that he did in his time in college if he goes that route.
 
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kckempf said:
As far as NASA goes, it hasn't been 10 years, as he participated in the NFLPA externship program with them in 2020 and 2021. NASA has continued to include him in their PR campaigns. I don't know that he would slide into an engineer role, but he wouldn't be the oldest new engineer they've had even if he takes time to get a "refresher". Like any engineer he'll learn more on the first year on the job that he did in his time in college if he goes that route.
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That's the issue I've had here. Folks are acting like he's #1 on the list........ which is absurd.

Could he do refreshers and get up to speed? Absolutely.

Is he a shoo in great catch for NASA?
Other than his notoriety as a former NFL player, there's absolutely no reason to suggest that.

Other than NASA PR, Dobbs himself likely realizes that he's made choices with his life, good choices IMO to pursue football as long as possible. His journey into engineering came second and he'll have to get back up to speed to be current.

That's all I've been saying. He's not "just got to pick up the phone and have a job" unless it's a PR move for some employer to hire him. There's simply no way a first time, never worked in the field engineer who graduated in 2016? or so is a hot item UNLESS it's a PR hire because of his previous career.
 
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Cool that he was there.

As for the argument of whether he could still pursue a career in that path - anything is possible. Besides unless you know him personally, you have no knowledge as to if he has kept up to date with changes or not.

Folks do step away from a particular industry and go back to it later. Pretty sure when he does finally step away from football, he will have choices of what he does next. He is a very intelligent person.

And I am one who stepped into a very different career path several years after I finished college. Many do. Certain degrees allow flexibility - he has that as well.
 
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kckempf said:
Like any engineer he'll learn more on the first year on the job that he did in his time in college if he goes that route.
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This is true of a lot of jobs - what you learn in college is a lot of times theory then you get into the real world of how things work and right away understand - companies really don't work like that.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Cool that he was there.

As for the argument of whether he could still pursue a career in that path - anything is possible. Besides unless you know him personally, you have no knowledge as to if he has kept up to date with changes or not.

Folks do step away from a particular industry and go back to it later. Pretty sure when he does finally step away from football, he will have choices of what he does next. He is a very intelligent person.

And I am one who stepped into a very different career path several years after I finished college. Many do. Certain degrees allow flexibility - he has that as well.
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Being an NFL QB, especially a journeyman QB like Dobbs means that he's put significant time into learning new systems, new plays, etc.

Sure, he could be Superman and able to stay current as an NFL QB for the various new teams he's had over the years and as an aerospace engineer. 100%. Makes perfect sense.

It's ridiculous that folks here think a new aerospace engineer from UT isn't worth much more than aerospace engineering major who never worked in the field and graduated 10 years ago.

I'm not dissing Josh Dobbs but he's been a professional NFL QB for 10 years NOT an aerospace engineer.

Would you want someone sending your loved ones into space if they've spent the last 10 years playing football instead of working with rockets?

Would you want to HIRE someone who is 10 years removed from the field you're hiring them to handle in your business?

Really?
 
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