Why do these problem child players keep happening to Tennessee?

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Jeremy Banks
Nico Iamaleava
Boo Carter
Legend Bey

and now

Chaz Coleman


Why do we have these headcases? Seems like other programs don't deal with this as often.
 
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I think other teams have the same headaches.....its just that we're rabid fans watching daily YouTube updates and checking volnation every couple hours. So to us it seems more prevalent. You had the Duke QB jump ship, texas tech in a world of QB hurt, 5 star Braint just jumped from LSU to Miami, etc, etc. At one point when the portal was open i saw something like 35% are in the portal

Im an 80s/90s kid growing up in decade of dominance. Ill be first to admit NIL is messing with college sports. And this generation APPEARS (not all) to be very money driven/selfish vs commitment and team oriented. I blame social media.

I also blame Trump!!!! (<----did i do that right?)
 
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The argument that other teams deal with some headcases too is fair, but I think UT might also have been desperate for top talent in these cases, more so than a Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, etc. IMO it's much easier for those programs to tell a kid to go kick rocks than us. The reality is Coleman is really talented and if he was a 2 or 3 star we wouldn't be having this conversation. Same with Boo, Nico, Banks and Legend. I listened to a show the other day where the guy (I forgot who it was now) basically said UT is shifting towards pouring money into the transfer portal for future years instead of relying as much on high school recruiting. The plan is to target older, established players with legit experience etc rather than banking on potential like we've been trying for the past couple years. While Coleman was a transfer he's still only had one year of experience and didn't have that much of an impact for Penn State last year. If that's really true that they're doing this, that sounds good to me...
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
The argument that other teams deal with some headcases too is fair, but I think UT might also have been desperate for top talent in these cases, more so than a Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, etc. IMO it's much easier for those programs to tell a kid to go kick rocks than us. The reality is Coleman is really talented and if he was a 2 or 3 star we wouldn't be having this conversation. Same with Boo, Nico, Banks and Legend. I listened to a show the other day where the guy (I forgot who it was now) basically said UT is shifting towards pouring money into the transfer portal for future years instead of relying as much on high school recruiting. The plan is to target older, established players with legit experience etc rather than banking on potential like we've been trying for the past couple years. While Coleman was a transfer he's still only had one year of experience and didn't have that much of an impact for Penn State last year. If that's really true that they're doing this, that sounds good to me...
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Good post and this has me wondering. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, and some others can easily pick up these players and cut them if they are a problem while Tennessee is more desparate. They are likely other teams that have been down and out like Florida, FSU, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Auburn, etc. that are dealing with this as well.

I still think the Indiana (and Vandy) model of getting older, hard-working players, over these young 5-star prima donnas might be the better path.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Good post and this has me wondering. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, and some others can easily pick up these players and cut them if they are a problem while Tennessee is more desparate. They are likely other teams that have been down and out like Florida, FSU, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Auburn, etc. that are dealing with this as well.

I still think the Indiana (and Vandy) model of getting older, hard-working players, over these young 5-star prima donnas might be the better path.
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Those programs have had stability and top 5 recruiting classes for the past what 10-15 years? They stacked top class on top class building depth while UT was firing coaches and floundering. So if they get a kid who is really talented but is a headcase, they can usually just say, "Do it our way or don't play". Not saying we don't have any sort of discipline or accountability in the program, just that I think it's probably WAY easier for those schools to cut bait and move on since they have other equally talented players on the roster and maybe the leash is shorter. We finally have a really good HC who is going into year 6 which is unheard of around here.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
Those programs have had stability and top 5 recruiting classes for the past what 10-15 years? They stacked top class on top class building depth while UT was firing coaches and floundering. So if they get a kid who is really talented but is a headcase, they can usually just say, "Do it our way or don't play". Not saying we don't have any sort of discipline or accountability in the program, just that I think it's probably WAY easier for those schools to cut bait and move on since they have other equally talented players on the roster and maybe the leash is shorter. We finally have a really good HC who is going into year 6 which is unheard of around here.
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Agree and that was my point. That could be the diffference.

However, Indiana showed a winning formula that does neither. It focuses on getting older, mature players, that really want to be here. Part of the reason it worked at Indiana is that their fans didn't whine to Cignetti about the star ratings of the players he got or the background of the assistance coaches. They didn't look at recruiting rankings. He broke the mold and so did Clark Lea to a degree at Vanderbilt. Maybe that isn't easy to do regularly but perhaps instead of grabbing a Boo Carter, we should be getting a 3-star from a G5 school that is a proven, solid contributor.

Granted we kind of did that with Chaz Coleman and still ran into this problem. For some reason, the "Ohio State is so GREAT" effect is still burning us. Carnell Tate, Legend Bey, and now Chaz Coleman seem to have this mentality that Tennessee is trash or second best and Ohio State is the place to be.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Agree and that was my point. That could be the diffference.

However, Indiana showed a winning formula that does neither. It focuses on getting older, mature players, that really want to be here. Part of the reason it worked at Indiana is that their fans didn't whine to Cignetti about the star ratings of the players he got or the background of the assistance coaches. They didn't look at recruiting rankings. He broke the mold and so did Clark Lea to a degree at Vanderbilt. Maybe that isn't easy to do regularly but perhaps instead of grabbing a Boo Carter, we should be getting a 3-star from a G5 school that is a proven, solid contributor.

Granted we kind of did that with Chaz Coleman and still ran into this problem. For some reason, the "Ohio State is so GREAT" effect is still burning us. Carnell Tate, Legend Bey, and now Chaz Coleman seem to have this mentality that Tennessee is trash or second best and Ohio State is the place to be.
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Yeah what I took from that show I listened to was we're shifting towards a model of relying heavily on the transfer portal targeting established players ala what Ole Miss, Indiana and others have been doing. Trying to replicate the Ohio State, Texas and UGA model has gotten us only so far. Time to spend the big money, get players who know what they're doing, don't need coddling, and want to be here and get it done.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Agree and that was my point. That could be the diffference.

However, Indiana showed a winning formula that does neither. It focuses on getting older, mature players, that really want to be here. Part of the reason it worked at Indiana is that their fans didn't whine to Cignetti about the star ratings of the players he got or the background of the assistance coaches. They didn't look at recruiting rankings. He broke the mold and so did Clark Lea to a degree at Vanderbilt. Maybe that isn't easy to do regularly but perhaps instead of grabbing a Boo Carter, we should be getting a 3-star from a G5 school that is a proven, solid contributor.

Granted we kind of did that with Chaz Coleman and still ran into this problem. For some reason, the "Ohio State is so GREAT" effect is still burning us. Carnell Tate, Legend Bey, and now Chaz Coleman seem to have this mentality that Tennessee is trash or second best and Ohio State is the place to be.
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Hate to break it to you but Ohio St is on a slightly higher shelf.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Jeremy Banks
Nico Iamaleava
Boo Carter
Legend Bey

and now

Chaz Coleman


Why do we have these headcases? Seems like other programs don't deal with this as often.
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It's a Heupel problem. I dont know if he isnt doing good personal evaluations on these kids or what but there is no doubt that this is now a consistent trend with his program. I think he doesn't command a lot of respect in the locker room. He is not an intimidating dude and he doesnt portray himself in a flattering light. For as much of a dbag as Kiffin is, you dont see him having these issues
 
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IfDickeyStayed said:
It's a Heupel problem. I dont know if he isnt doing good personal evaluations on these kids or what but there is no doubt that this is now a consistent trend with his program. I think he doesn't command a lot of respect in the locker room. He is not an intimidating dude and he doesnt portray himself in a flattering light. For as much of a dbag as Kiffin is, you dont see him having these issues
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There might be some truth but I also think this was a prevailing issue even before Heupel.
 
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IfDickeyStayed said:
It's a Heupel problem. I dont know if he isnt doing good personal evaluations on these kids or what but there is no doubt that this is now a consistent trend with his program. I think he doesn't command a lot of respect in the locker room. He is not an intimidating dude and he doesnt portray himself in a flattering light. For as much of a dbag as Kiffin is, you dont see him having these issues
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How could YOU possibly know that he doesn't command a lot of respect in the locker room?

Your comment about Kiffin is also BS
 
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utvolpj said:
How many other teams do you follow as closely? All high level programs deal with them
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The idea that this is a Tennessee problem when you've got national college football-focused media covering this kind of **** every day is mindblowing. What rock do you have to live under to make this post, or to say it's a "Heupel" problem?

It's a whole of CFB problem.
 
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Our best years of stacking players occurred when UGA and Bama sucked. It was much easier to out-recruit during that time.

The other factor that helps us is when Miami and FSU are good, UF tends to suck.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Jeremy Banks
Nico Iamaleava
Boo Carter
Legend Bey

and now

Chaz Coleman


Why do we have these headcases? Seems like other programs don't deal with this as often.
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My GUESS is: We have been behind the other major schools in recruiting the top 100 players for several years. Sure we got a few, but we always seem 1 or 2 steps behind the teams that are beating us. DESPERATION is why we get into these situations. The recruits/parents feel that and take advantage of the situation.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
How could YOU possibly know that he doesn't command a lot of respect in the locker room?

Your comment about Kiffin is also BS
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Can you read? I said I "think" he doesn't command much respect in the locker room. My comment about Kiffin is not BS at all. Find an example of Kiffin over the last 5 years having players in situations like Nico, Boo, and Chaz. Kiffin is a trash individual but somehow he has managed to recruit well and transfer portal at an elite level with little negative press coverage in that regard. Like always, you come in here and proclaim something is false or a lie without any proof
 
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IfDickeyStayed said:
Can you read? I said I "think" he doesn't command much respect in the locker room. My comment about Kiffin is not BS at all. Find an example of Kiffin over the last 5 years having players in situations like Nico, Boo, and Chaz. Kiffin is a trash individual but somehow he has managed to recruit well and transfer portal at an elite level with little negative press coverage in that regard. Like always, you come in here and proclaim something is false or a lie without any proof
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I didn't make any proclamations. My comment about your proclamations is far more likely true than false. You have no idea if Kiffin has had problems with a player or two. Most of the negative "press" coverage is from this site and Basillo and other fly by night "insiders".
 
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Coulda just jumped on the other thread or two started this week about this.

The horse called...sad it was gonna be a long day and bring a 2x8 instead.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I didn't make any proclamations. My comment about your proclamations is far more likely true than false. You have no idea if Kiffin has had problems with a player or two. Most of the negative "press" coverage is from this site and Basillo and other fly by night "insiders".
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I know for a 100% certainty that Kiffin's starting QB has never demanded more money and left the program at the end of Spring Camp like Nico. I know for 100% certainty that Kiffin's starting safety didn't disappear all summer, then get benched and kicked off the team like Boo. I also know for 100% certainty that Kiffin's number 1 portal target (Sam Leavitt) has been showing up for practice and rehabbing unlike Chaz. Even if somehow all this stuff was happening in Kiffin's program, kudos to them for keeping it under wraps and not letting the national media pick it up, unlike us.

You are so wrong. The Nico, Boo, and now Chaz situations have been covered by national media and local media alike. Chris Low, JD Pickel, Josh Pate, and all the local guys have all talked about Nico, Boo, and Chaz on their shows. Pete Nakos covered the Legend Bey situation extensively.

Some of you sunshine pumpers are so in the clouds. Go type Chaz Coleman's name into your search bar and look at who has covered his situation. ON3, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo Sports, and 247 all have articles about it. ESPN covered Boo Carter's midseason dismissal from the program. Nico was covered by every news source in America. I don't know how you are so blind to this
 
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IfDickeyStayed said:
I know for a 100% certainty that Kiffin's starting QB has never demanded more money and left the program at the end of Spring Camp like Nico. I know for 100% certainty that Kiffin's starting safety didn't disappear all summer, then get benched and kicked off the team like Boo. I also know for 100% certainty that Kiffin's number 1 portal target (Sam Leavitt) has been showing up for practice and rehabbing unlike Chaz. Even if somehow all this stuff was happening in Kiffin's program, kudos to them for keeping it under wraps and not letting the national media pick it up, unlike us.

You are so wrong. The Nico, Boo, and now Chaz situations have been covered by national media and local media alike. Chris Low, JD Pickel, Josh Pate, and all the local guys have all talked about Nico, Boo, and Chaz on their shows. Pete Nakos covered the Legend Bey situation extensively.

Some of you sunshine pumpers are so in the clouds. Go type Chaz Coleman's name into your search bar and look at who has covered his situation. ON3, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo Sports, and 247 all have articles about it. ESPN covered Boo Carter's midseason dismissal from the program. Nico was covered by every news source in America. I don't know how you are so blind to this
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Walmart called. Your meds are ready.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Jeremy Banks
Nico Iamaleava
Boo Carter
Legend Bey

and now

Chaz Coleman


Why do we have these headcases? Seems like other programs don't deal with this as often.
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Nobody in fandom @ Arky, Mizzou, or ATM etc has a clue who Chaz Coleman even is. In the same way we have no clue when one of their five stars flakes out and ends up working at a car wash. We just continually get our hopes up that every five star that walks in here is the next Reggie White or Peyton Manning. It's what fans do.
 
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This is one of the most dumbest conspiracy theories ever.

The ONLY reason why you don’t hear about other teams having personal issues with players is because you’re only following Tennessee and their sources so of course you’re going to hear about it more.

Acting like we’re the only school that deals with drama is low IQ thinking.
 
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IfDickeyStayed said:
I know for a 100% certainty that Kiffin's starting QB has never demanded more money and left the program at the end of Spring Camp like Nico. I know for 100% certainty that Kiffin's starting safety didn't disappear all summer, then get benched and kicked off the team like Boo. I also know for 100% certainty that Kiffin's number 1 portal target (Sam Leavitt) has been showing up for practice and rehabbing unlike Chaz. Even if somehow all this stuff was happening in Kiffin's program, kudos to them for keeping it under wraps and not letting the national media pick it up, unlike us.

You are so wrong. The Nico, Boo, and now Chaz situations have been covered by national media and local media alike. Chris Low, JD Pickel, Josh Pate, and all the local guys have all talked about Nico, Boo, and Chaz on their shows. Pete Nakos covered the Legend Bey situation extensively.

Some of you sunshine pumpers are so in the clouds. Go type Chaz Coleman's name into your search bar and look at who has covered his situation. ON3, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo Sports, and 247 all have articles about it. ESPN covered Boo Carter's midseason dismissal from the program. Nico was covered by every news source in America. I don't know how you are so blind to this
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So 1 player out of 85 with an issue is indicative of Heupel not commanding respect in the locker room?

Sunshine pumper? You just had to go there without a clue as to what you're talking about. I know the Nico situation was a national story. And? None of that supports your reactionary opinion that Heupel doesn't command respect.
 
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