3rd and Long draw plays

#2
#2
WHY????????

Has this worked once this season? NO! Glad to see the crappy play calling hasn't changed, Fire Fulmer Campaign is still alive and well.

Only thing worse than the play calling is the receivers scared to dive and catch the ball. Touchdowns are not good for them, they rather drop catchable balls.
 
#3
#3
We didn't have field position and our passing game sucks.
 
#6
#6
Calling a draw or screen on 3rd and 20 from your own territory with a suspect passing game is a perfectly legitimate playcall that almost everybody uses from time to time.
 
#8
#8
All I'm saying is that with as good a defense as we have, there's nothing wrong with punting it away and putting our defense on the field.
 
#9
#9
Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 6, 2005 12:31 AM
Calling a draw or screen on 3rd and 20 from your own territory with a suspect passing game is a perfectly legitimate playcall that almost everybody uses from time to time.
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And it works for some of those others, too.
 
#10
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I think the most we got on one of these plays this season is around 6 yards. That is probably stretching it though. That amount of yardage won't matter if we have a good defense. You are having a losing season, you have to call some risky plays if you want to turn things around, especially if you are already losing by 18.
 
#11
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Originally posted by Cajun Vol@Nov 6, 2005 1:07 AM
I think the most we got on one of these plays this season is around 6 yards.  That is probably stretching it though.  That amount of yardage won't matter if we have a good defense.  You are having a losing season, you have to call some risky plays if you want to turn things around, especially if you are already losing by 18.
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ok never mind, it can kinda work if you have a QB that isnt shook.
 
#12
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 6, 2005 12:31 AM
Calling a draw or screen on 3rd and 20 from your own territory with a suspect passing game is a perfectly legitimate playcall that almost everybody uses from time to time.
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That's true, but compounded with the other "things" they do at times, it reaks of timidity and fear.

Example: We had a 3rd and 9 and threw a 3 yard out to the boundry with the WR almost out of bounds.
 
#14
#14
If we have 3rd and 8 or 12 or even 15, I would rather take a shot down field with an over the middle pass or short post pattern, than to run a draw for 3 or 4 yards. If the ball is incomplete, so what, we tried to get a first down. The draw or dive play gives the other team momentun for stopping the offense. However, if lineman block, then long 3rd downs never come up.
 
#15
#15
i understand not liking that play call sometimes but the point behind a call like that is you are assuming the defense is playing for the pass so the secondary is going to be back off the line more than usual and so when the qb drops back like he's about to pass but hands it off instead, the tailback should have some room to run before anybody can get to him and hopefully can make somebody miss in the open field if he needs to
 
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Originally posted by Cajun Vol@Nov 5, 2005 3:47 PM
WHY????????

Has this worked once this season?  NO!  Glad to see the crappy play calling hasn't changed, Fire Fulmer Campaign is still alive and well.

Only thing worse than the play calling is the receivers scared to dive and catch the ball.  Touchdowns are not good for them, they rather drop catchable balls.
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Guy Sanders is still oc b/c they showed him up in the booth still calling the plays

and it showed
 
#18
#18
UT is not the only team that calls this type of play in that situation. GA did it several times when they played UT and everyone seems to be in agreement that Richt has a very good offensive mind. Sometimes it is better to just punt and let your defense do thier thing than risk an INT backed up in your own territory.
 
#19
#19
When you have the lead, it's one thing. When you're behind or even WAY behind and you keep doing this??

Other teams may do this because they have confidence they can get the ball back and drive down the field and score more points. We do it as a precaution not to risk a fumble or interception close in. Our offense is defensive in nature. They don't play to score.
 
#20
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 6, 2005 12:31 AM
Calling a draw or screen on 3rd and 20 from your own territory with a suspect passing game is a perfectly legitimate playcall that almost everybody uses from time to time.
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Thank you. People dont realize that sometimes you are better off punting and playing defense. Especially when worse things can and probably will happen. (ie. EA throwing the ball up for grabs when he is about to be sacked because his receivers were unable to get open. I dont think our QB is adept at handling the ball and making a play when it is 3rd and 20. If he doesn't throw it up for grabs, tell me the chances of him being sacked and possibly fumbling.

4th and 11 punt is better than 1st and 10 (ND, GA, AL, SC, FL) on our 25 yard line for starting field position.
 
#21
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Originally posted by Cajun Vol@Nov 6, 2005 1:07 AM
I think the most we got on one of these plays this season is around 6 yards.  That is probably stretching it though.  That amount of yardage won't matter if we have a good defense.  You are having a losing season, you have to call some risky plays if you want to turn things around, especially if you are already losing by 18.
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Yes, being down by 18 is bad. But being down by 25 (another ND touchdown after giving them great field position) is worse.

You are forgetting that Tennessee has ALWAYS done that on 3rd and 20 provided it were not late in the 4th quarter. We were winning then. That isn't what is causing Tennessee to lose all these games. You want Tennessee to go for it on 3rd and long yardage. Hell, they can't even pick up 20 yards on 1st and 2nd down. Getting 20 yards on 3rd down is even tougher.

Our QB's aren't competent to convert 3rd and 20 as we'd all like. Therefore, RS or CPF or whoever calls a safer play. We should attempt it sometimes, but logically it's better to be safe than sorry on most occasions.
 
#22
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Originally posted by Liper@Nov 6, 2005 6:22 PM
That's true, but compounded with the other "things" they do at times, it reaks of timidity and fear.

Example: We had a 3rd and 9 and threw a 3 yard out to the boundry with the WR almost out of bounds.
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Now that's a stupid call. Who knows, the play might have been designed to go deeper, and the quarterback made (for whatever reason) the decision to throw the 3 yard out. I can't speak for Ainge. (I'm in no way defending Ainge. I think he is shook.)
 
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