60,000 - 70,000 Conservatives March of Washington, Conservatives Against Healthcare R

[OrangeEmpire]

From another board I frequent. This is from the typical gov't is the only answer folks.

At first I thought it was law but this is actually a woman. Then again....

See this article:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tea-party-p...tory?id=8557120

There's a video clip attached to the page. My favorite quips were: "Obama works with the MOB!" and "He's a Communist!"
Didn't they think it'd look just a little silly seeing white, fat, balding men and their families marching down Pennsylvania avenue, screaming that Obama lies? Didn't they realize that all of them look over-fed, waspy, and obviously rich enough to afford their own heath care?

What was it that Scrooge said about the poor (now our middle class)? "Let them die quickly and decrease the surplus population!"

Oh, never fear; there was one African American in the crowd. He managed to utter out the same nonsense. Notice how well-fed and clothed he appears. He's covered, and he couldn't care less about those who have no health care let alone are starving in order to pay their bills!

I'm getting mighty riled up about the white upper-class. Those in my neighborhood are attempting to create a registered village/town. They gather at a meeting hall that the property owners pay for every Thursday night --- showing up in their shiny new cars, talking about how they can't wait to get renters like myself thrown out on the street so that they can have peace of mind. Meanwhile, there is already a government in place that is rotten to the core (several persons have been sacked for illegitimate just of government funds, and more are due to be found). It's more than obvious that they want to give their friends (who they would vote into office) an opportunity to steal our tax dollars, too.
They dress up, eat, drink, and socialize while the poor children walk with their mothers (in front of the place) to the local deli to buy what little they can with their food stamp cards.

When will America (as a whole) wake up and see that we need to catch up with the rest of the world? When will we stop accusing other Americans of being communists? When will we educate ourselves instead of listening to media-driven propaganda?
Does anyone have any idea how to stop this?! Believe it or not, I'm beginning to think that if I don't start some sort of a rally where I live that no-one else will. Has anyone organised such a thing, and have you any tips? I can't stand this anymore.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

To which I replied....

There are several problems with President Obama's proposed health care initiative. I am adhering to the points he made while addressing a special session of Congress last week. While I am not the president, I'd appreciate it nobody responded to this post with the word "LIAR." Thank you.

1. Penalty tax. I understand President Obama's reasoning for imposing a tax on individuals who refuse to obtain health insurance. Costs cannot be reduced, or abated, if we allow some X number of people to abstain from acquiring health insurance. The cost will either continue to elevate or remain at some high dollar amount as society pays for the treatment the uninsured has obtained but failed to compensate the health care provider. Many people object to this proposal. The government is taxing an individual when they fail to do something, and the threat of a tax is conceived with the express purpose to coerce them to engage in particular conduct. I am not sure of the constitutionality of such a proposition, and of course libertarians and other individuals oppose such a tax on principles and notions of liberty, more practically speaking, I have a different query. How much money will it cost to enforce this provision?

2. Public option. The idea of the government offering insurance has its many opponents and consequently, there exist a myriad of objections to this proposal. Some oppose the public option because it is unconstitutional. Others are adverse to the idea of a public option on philosophical principles. Others have monetary objections upon which they predicate their opposition. President Obama stated the public option would be funded, in part, by the participants' premiums who choose the public option. I question whether this can be done when the idea is the public option will be more affordable than the private sectors' prices. Somebody, under this equation, is going to lose money. One commentator stated if not enough people sign up for the public option, then the premiums paid into the public option are not likely to adequately pay for the costs as proposed by President Obama. If the costs of the premium are too low, then there exists once again the plague of an anemic amount of money.

The more significant objection is the disbelief the public option will not contribute to the deficit. Yes, President Obama stated he would not sign any legislation which contributed to the deficit. This is absolutely fantastic but there still persists a very conspicuous problem. What is to preclude the federal government from operating the program in such a manner as to incur a deficit a year or so afterwards? The exorbiant price tag of President Obama's legislation is what has many Americans frightened. They do not believe the federal government, which is notorious for running deficits, will operate a public option without incurring a deficit at some point in the future. Combine this with the fact the U.S. dollar has been losing value over the last 30 years, in 1971 its index was 160 points, last week it traded at 76 points, along with the U.S. now monetizing its debt, to the dismay and admonishment of the largest holder of U.S. debt, the Chinese and Asians, and increasing global demands to have another currency serve as the reserve currency, are all good reasons to reject President Obama's plan.

The dollar is presently in a very precarious position. The Chinese and Asian markets, once the largest consumer of U.S. debt, are no longer purchasing U.S. bonds or dollar backed assets. Consequently, the U.S. is not presently receiving money from the Asian markets to assist in paying for its budget deficit. The Chinese and Asian markets have not only ceased in purchasing U.S. debt, but have begun purchasing commodities such as gold, oil, and other currencies, such as the EURO. Russia, a few years ago, either sold all of their dollars, are have come very close to depleting their holdings in dollars, along with OPEC, specifically Saudi Arabia, contemplating an abandonment of the dollar as the currency in which they transact business. Global confidence in the dollar as a reserve currency is decreasing, and what has precipitated such a trend has been the government's inability, now apparent refusal, to spend within its monetary means. The globe is losing confidence in the dollar as a reserve currency because the U.S. has been engaging in action to decrease its value, i.e. issuing debt and debt monetization.

The dollar's continued decline in value will have a potentially greater negative impact on this economy than the current condition of the health care system. If the U.S. government does not protect the dollar, then a situation could develop where nobody in the U.S., except for the millionnaires and billionnaires, can afford health insurance from a public option or private sector. The dollar could decline to such a degree and extent that few people could afford even the most cheapest health care option, again whether offered by the private or public sector.

People are skeptical, rightfully so, the public option will not contribute to the deficit and we are in a situation where we cannot continue to add to the deficit, or even risk adding to it in the dollar amount suggested by President Obama's public option.

Of course, President Obama states they will receive, if I recall correctly 500 billion/or million from a more efficient Medicare/Medicaid program. The CBO acknowledges this claim but simultaneously expresses its doubts as there presently does not exist any plan demonstrating how exactly the Medicare/Medicaid programs will be altered in such a way as to operate with 500 billion/million less in dollars. Furthermore critics question how exactly the quality of care cannot be adversely impacted under such a proposal?

For me, and many others, these are but some of the reasons why I reject President Obama's health care initiative.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

She responded......

106,000 ppl showed up at the usc vs ohio state game last night funny, i was just watching some bill maher videos ealier and he says about the same thing. how do you go about changing a system that has a vested interest in staying unchanged though?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I replied.....

I don't trust the government to make the best health care decisions for me. Period.

If protesting the government's idea of health-care reform makes me a white, balding, wealthy, male NASCAR fan, so be it. It's not health-care reform I'm opposed to...it's their idea of what health-care reform is that I don't like.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

She said....

"Conservatives" would rather watch NASCAR? Sounds about right.

 

[IPorange]

She isn't very substantive in her retorts, is she?

 

[volinbham]

Couple of observations:

1. Typical double standard - she trashes and stereotypes people she disagrees with then decries that America needs to wake up and quit calling people communists.

2. She assumes the protesters are rich because they are "well-fed" and white. Using her logic, I assume she's rich because she uses the Internet.

3. OE is a lot wordier on that other board.

 

[vader]

Couple of observations:

1. Typical double standard - she trashes and stereotypes people she disagrees with then decries that America needs to wake up and quit calling people communists.

2. She assumes the protesters are rich because they are "well-fed" and white. Using her logic, I assume she's rich because she uses the Internet.

3. OE is a lot wordier on that other board.

How long until she gets an "a;ljdflkafpofalkjfa;lkjd" response?

 

[lawgator1]

I thought it was 2 million people. That's what the organizers said. That's what Rush Limbaugh said.

Only 60,000? That's about 2.5% of what the organizers and Limbaugh claimed.

Huh.

 

[T-TownVol]

I thought it was 2 million people. That's what the organizers said. That's what Rush Limbaugh said.

Only 60,000? That's about 2.5% of what the organizers and Limbaugh claimed.

Huh.

this what your side claims, but they left after 9 am....the overhead photos show well over 1 million

 

[OrangeEmpire]

How long until she gets an "a;ljdflkafpofalkjfa;lkjd" response?

I got in trouble for being "silly" on the other board when I first started there.

I have to take my shots at people without being completely blatant or annoying.

 

[lawgator1]

this what your side claims, but they left after 9 am....the overhead photos show well over 1 million

Its the official estimate of the fire department.

I'll go with their numbers instead of the right wing propaganda machines's "No, really, everyone agrees with us" nut job lunatic fringe bs fabricated claims.

Thanyou very much.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

It was about as popular as the million man march!

 

[volinbham]

I thought it was 2 million people. That's what the organizers said. That's what Rush Limbaugh said.

Only 60,000? That's about 2.5% of what the organizers and Limbaugh claimed.

Huh.

60,000 is nothing to sneeze at. Overall, an impressive showing if you ask me.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

60,000 is nothing to sneeze at. Overall, an impressive showing if you ask me.

What is the deal with getting 60,000 rednecks in one place, right?

 

[volinbham]

What is the deal with getting 60,000 rednecks in one place, right?

rich, fat white redneck racists. :hi:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Who want poor people to die!

 

[lawgator1]

60,000 is nothing to sneeze at. Overall, an impressive showing if you ask me.

The problem is that it belies the far right's claim that their feelings are shared by so many more people than they are given credit for.

I saw some video of the protestors and the signs they were carrying. Most were just bashing Obama and the Democrats and were clearly pure partisanship. A few were thinly veiled in reference to race or the birther nonsense.

A relatively smal percentage that I saw (and I don't claim to have seen all of them or even a representative sample) were about spending and the size of government.

Based on the news coverage, even from Faux News and Limbaugh and the shrillest of the right, it sure does seem as though the first tea parties several months back were much more honest about their purpose and success, whereas the latest round is heavily dominated by Republican politics and a sizeable dash of extreme conservative views.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

On a side note, I hear ACORN was looking for pimps and prostitutes.

 

[T-TownVol]

PETA started out as a true animal rights group also....you always get lunitic fringes that cling on to any chance to protest and stretch the "message"

 

[kev20]

The problem is that it belies the far right's claim that their feelings are shared by so many more people than they are given credit for.

Because, of course everyone that feels that way was there that day.....

 

[lawgator1]

Because, of course everyone that feels that way was there that day.....

No, but saying it was 2 million when it was 60,000 suggests exaggeration. And if they will multiply the actual number by something like 35 or 40 times, what does that tell you about their willingness to lie to make it look like their politics are representative of a large number of people.

Obama is going to wipe the floor with them on this stuff in 2012 if they keep it up. He is very good at pointing out their tactics and mocking them, without sounding petty and condescending. Which of course just infuriates the extreme right all the more.

 

[droski]

The problem is that it belies the far right's claim that their feelings are shared by so many more people than they are given credit for.

60% of the population isn't a lot of people?

 

[droski]

Obama is going to wipe the floor with them on this stuff in 2012 if they keep it up. He is very good at pointing out their tactics and mocking them, without sounding petty and condescending. Which of course just infuriates the extreme right all the more.

no chance in hell obama gets reelected if he continues this socialist, pro union, anti business stance. his speeches today to the labor unions were some of the most distrubing anti business rhetoric i have ever heard in my life.

 

[T-TownVol]

No, but saying it was 2 million when it was 60,000 suggests exaggeration. And if they will multiply the actual number by something like 35 or 40 times, what does that tell you about their willingness to lie to make it look like their politics are representative of a large number of people.

Obama is going to wipe the floor with them on this stuff in 2012 if they keep it up. He is very good at pointing out their tactics and mocking them, without sounding petty and condescending. Which of course just infuriates the extreme right all the more.

I do not beleive that anyone from Fox or Rush will be running.

Just the "quality" that everyone is looking for in the leader of the free world.