8 Team Playoffs

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Forever151 said:
Give me 8 teams

ACC conference Winner
SEC Conference Winner
Big 10 Conference winner
Big 12 Conference Winner
PAC 12 Conference Winner
At Large
At Large
At Large

Top Two records get a bye
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Wouldn't that leave you with 5 teams in round 2??
 
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backdoorcutvol said:
I like it the way it is, every game during the season is a playoff game. Only criteria I would change is you have to win your conference to get in, this makes conference championships a first round playoff game.
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And force ND into a conference, which I have no problems with.
 
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I’m for 8.

Top 4 seeds host bottom 4 teams 2 weeks after conference title games at their stadium. If you don’t want to see those matchups featuring teams in random matchups, at historical venues then that’s on you. 9&10 will always plead their case, just 69 &70 do now for the NCAA tournament.

I just don’t know how people would not want this.

Imagine we are a top 4 seed hosting an Ohio State, Texas, USC, Notre Dame In Neyland Stadium. Hell for that matter, imagine us traveling to one of those schools in the Playoff.
 
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Devo182 said:
Good research. Still, dogmatism shouldn't preside. The less the better. If there is an undefeated g5, they will get voted in. No need to guarantee a #20 team, it will just lead to the downfall of the system, which might be a decent one.

Fwiw, I still think they should have their own title. They are too far separated to be included with P5s imo.
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What? No, have you not been paying attention? The people who do the voting represent the P5 universities. To you and me this is a fun game, to them this is a business. There are a limited number of spots which means there is a limited pool of money to share. They don’t want to vote in a G5 team b/c it will take money away from their university, conference, or conference that their friends represent that they have made shady back room agreements with.
 
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My biggest objection to 8 is the extra game that is forced upon the kids and paying fans. As stated throughout this post already 4 is a good number and that should be determined only by conference champions. Hate this talk of non champions getting in. I also believe that there should be a minimum of 9 conference games with one non-conference game to be a team from one of the power 5 conferences with teams rotating conferences every year. Say Bama plays Pac 10 one year and Big 10 the next with that opponent determined by end of previous year record so a top SEC team isn't playing a bottom dweller in the ACC lets say. I think it would be better TV than say UT vs Charlotte. If at the least require the 9 conference games. Conferences that do not want to play 9 conference games would have this affect whether they make the 4 team playoff.
 
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I may be the only one but I’m going with 8 teams. My reason is selfish in nature though. I like to cheer for the underdogs and when they pull off a big win against great odds it’s fun to watch.
 
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99gator said:
I always have thought 8 is the right number. I think this season is the classic example as to why.
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Au Contraire! If anything, this season is the reason to go back to the BCS. There are only two teams that deserve to play for a NC--Bama v Clemson. The other teams can be matched in the other bowls. No reason to prolong the season 2 more weeks to get to THE game. If either of them were to get tripped up in a "tournament", you could just hand the NC trophy to the other team, because no team is going to beat those two teams back to back. And, we would be deprived of seeing one of the great matchups of this century.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Au Contraire! If anything, this season is the reason to go back to the BCS. There are only two teams that deserve to play for a NC--Bama v Clemson. The other teams can be matched in the other bowls. No reason to prolong the season 2 more weeks to get to THE game. If either of them were to get tripped up in a "tournament", you could just hand the NC trophy to the other team, because no team is going to beat those two teams back to back. And, we would be deprived of seeing one of the great matchups of this century.
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When UGA looks perfectly capable of beating either?? And Bama would have been left out last year and OSU in 2014. Terrible idea.
 
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Devo182 said:
Sure they did and they proved it! Getting into your conf championship is a bit arbitrary. They were a 1 loss team in the best division in all of cfb, while TWO loss Auburn gets to play in...arbitrary and bs. Then a 4 loss b1g team gets a shot. Arbitrary! That would be a bad, bad system for SEC teams. Great for B1g West and ACC coastal scrubs.
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It would be a good system for the winner of the sec.
 
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Can I just get a REAL UT ball club in the top 10 before I die? **** adding more teams for bama to beat! Kill me now!
 
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LAVol1 said:
Au Contraire! If anything, this season is the reason to go back to the BCS. There are only two teams that deserve to play for a NC--Bama v Clemson. The other teams can be matched in the other bowls. No reason to prolong the season 2 more weeks to get to THE game. If either of them were to get tripped up in a "tournament", you could just hand the NC trophy to the other team, because no team is going to beat those two teams back to back. And, we would be deprived of seeing one of the great matchups of this century.
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Same issue. You're leaving out Notre Dame because you think Clemson and Alabama are better. I do too by the way.

But, the whole point was we weren't supposed to have to "think" anymore. We were supposed to find out on the field.
 
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GreveHaller said:
no at large teams. If you're not good enough to step up and win your conference then screw you. You aint first then you're last. Otherwise just give everyone participation trophy and have a group hug
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That makes no sense though because not all conferences are created equal. Hypothetically, do you really want to leave out an 11-1 team who is the second best team in the country and just happens to be in the same division as the 12-0 number 1 team in favor of someone like Northwestern this year who couldn’t win outside of their conference?
 
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hUTch2002 said:
That makes no sense though because not all conferences are created equal. Hypothetically, do you really want to leave out an 11-1 team who is the second best team in the country and just happens to be in the same division as the 12-0 number 1 team in favor of someone like Northwestern this year who couldn’t win outside of their conference?
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Precisely. We need to weed out dogmatism, not increase it. His reasoning was absurd, helps the weakest conferences, and punishes the strongest ones.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
That makes no sense though because not all conferences are created equal. Hypothetically, do you really want to leave out an 11-1 team who is the second best team in the country and just happens to be in the same division as the 12-0 number 1 team in favor of someone like Northwestern this year who couldn’t win outside of their conference?
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it makes perfect sense. You want to "play it on the field".......they did. One team lost, one team won. Winning team moves on.

It isnt a beauty contest or participation trophy. Its about crowning a national champion. You lose your conference you're a loser and go home. What's so difficult to understand?
 
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LAVol1 said:
Au Contraire! If anything, this season is the reason to go back to the BCS. There are only two teams that deserve to play for a NC--Bama v Clemson. The other teams can be matched in the other bowls. No reason to prolong the season 2 more weeks to get to THE game. If either of them were to get tripped up in a "tournament", you could just hand the NC trophy to the other team, because no team is going to beat those two teams back to back. And, we would be deprived of seeing one of the great matchups of this century.
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Remind me again who Clemson has beaten to say they deserve to be in, but undefeated Notre Dame doesn't
 
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GreveHaller said:
it makes perfect sense. You want to "play it on the field".......they did. One team lost, one team won. Winning team moves on.

It isnt a beauty contest or participation trophy. Its about crowning a national champion. You lose your conference you're a loser and go home. What's so difficult to understand?
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It's not that hard, sometimes 2 of the best teams are in the same division. Imagine an extreme hypothetical example - an entire league made of 4 conferences - the SEC, MAC, AAC, and WAC. Should the playoffs be those 4 champions? Just imagine - the SEC likely holds 3 or 4 of the best teams.

Just look at last year, 1 loss Bama is out while 2 loss Aub gets through, based on an arbitrary divider - their 2nd loss was ooc, while Bama won all their ooc games and had FEWER losses. Your argument makes zero sense, which is why no serious minds agree with you. Most can realize there are very strong divisions with multiple great teams. If you can't fathom what most other adults can, that's on you.
 
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backdoorcutvol said:
I like it the way it is, every game during the season is a playoff game. Only criteria I would change is you have to win your conference to get in, this makes conference championships a first round playoff game.
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This is the biggest kid of crap ever! Seriously Bama has 2 titles in the last 10 years when they didn’t even win their own freaking division.
Every week is NOT a playoff and every game doesn’t mean something with the current system.

Also don’t like the concept of the 5 P5 champs get an automatic. So a 10-3 big 12 team deserves a spot over a 12-1 ACC where their only loss was in the conference championship game?

The Top 8 teams get in, doesn’t matter what conference or who they did and didn’t beat. Also no rankings until week 7 and they will be determined by the product on the field, not history or fan support or media Love/hate.
 
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GreveHaller said:
it makes perfect sense. You want to "play it on the field".......they did. One team lost, one team won. Winning team moves on.

It isnt a beauty contest or participation trophy. Its about crowning a national champion. You lose your conference you're a loser and go home. What's so difficult to understand?
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It makes no sense though because you entirely ignore nonconference games. Why don’t those losses count in a race to determine a national champion?
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Is there another big time sport that doesn’t have a playoff?

I’ll hang up and listen.
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Nope. All sports seem to understand best practices, except the tradionalist CFB fans that think the feelings of 6-6 bowl teams should take precedence over determining the best team. As they die off, CFB will come closer to joining the modern world.
 
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JFBanicki said:
This is the biggest kid of crap ever! Seriously Bama has 2 titles in the last 10 years when they didn’t even win their own freaking division.
Every week is NOT a playoff and every game doesn’t mean something with the current system.

Also don’t like the concept of the 5 P5 champs get an automatic. So a 10-3 big 12 team deserves a spot over a 12-1 ACC where their only loss was in the conference championship game?

The Top 8 teams get in, doesn’t matter what conference or who they did and didn’t beat. Also no rankings until week 7 and they will be determined by the product on the field, not history or fan support or media Love/hate.
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I get what you're saying. But the polls still play a role in the committee's decision. Before their first ranking of the year the AP and Coach's poll pretty much set the table for who the favorites are. The committee gets the final say of course. But the polls influence is still there, even if it's lessened. By going with the five conference champions and 3 at large you would let the 5 automatics be decided on the field, so the regular season matters even more. With the 3 at large, the committee still gets to put the deserving teams that didn't win their conference/non power 5/independents in. Then determine the seating. It's the best of all worlds without the number of games going crazy high. The non power 5 will still get left out some. But that will encourage them to play more big time power 5 teams to make a case. As the conference structure stands, it's the best solution.
 
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