A healthy dose of reality, from Josh Pate

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fefe said:
I've never understood why 5* want to sit on the bench at Georgia, Alabama, etc
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They believe in themselves to play within the first couple of years. They’ve never not played anywhere. The ones that work out typically play at least a little.

Portal hoppers are the ones either not feeling their NIL is worth their value or are behind someone and want to maximize playing time and/or value elsewhere.
 
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J C Higgins said:
And most of those were 4 or 5 star players. You never hear about what percentage of their 4 and 5 star players don't make it.
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True, I’m sure there are plenty, but it’s easy to gloss over that when you see the Eagles play on SNF and during the pregame introductions there’s a ton of “University of Georgia” being said or how many skill players and linebackers Bama has produced the past 15+ years.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
True, I’m sure there are plenty, but it’s easy to gloss over that when you see the Eagles play on SNF and during the pregame introductions there’s a ton of “University of Georgia” being said or how many skill players and linebackers Bama has produced the past 15+ years.
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Agree. And of course high school kids don't care about or even want to know about the five stars that don't make it.
 
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GoVols64 said:
They believe in themselves to play within the first couple of years. They’ve never not played anywhere. The ones that work out typically play at least a little.

Portal hoppers are the ones either not feeling their NIL is worth their value or are behind someone and want to maximize playing time and/or value elsewhere.
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This is it. They were THE MAN in HS and think that they will be that in college. The coaches don't dissuade them from thinking that. Then, they get there and are not playing for the first time in their lives. Huge shock to many of them and they don't have the maturity or family support system to help make good decisions.
 
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fefe said:
I've never understood why 5* want to sit on the bench at Georgia, Alabama, etc
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they end up in the same spot. Drafted highly in the NFL. probably a better chance even after sitting on the bench for a couple years.

If you are in a position that has a "shelf life" sitting on the bench for a year, a back up role, then start for one year, could be enough and it saves you wear and tear. could help extend your playing career.

some just want to be on a winning team. pretty much guaranteed at least 1 national title if you go there.

some actually want to go up against the best and really push themselves.

Some just want the coaching.

some like the money, and if you can earn the money and not do the work, why not?

name/brand recognition. even as a back up having that logo with you can open various doors.
 
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fefe said:
I've never understood why 5* want to sit on the bench at Georgia, Alabama, etc
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Actually sticking around usually has led to more success than players that hop from team to team. I can't think of an example of a team hopper that has gone onto a successful NFL career while there are tons of examples of players that waited on their turn that hit it big such as Tom Brady.

Matt Cassell had a decent NFL career and the guy was a backup his entire career at USC.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Actually sticking around usually has led to more success than players that hop from team to team. I can't think of an example of a team hopper that has gone onto a successful NFL career while there are tons of examples of players that waited on their turn that hit it big such as Tom Brady.

Matt Cassell had a decent NFL career and the guy was a backup his entire career at USC.
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The position that does well from team hopping seems to be quarterback. Bo Nix really boosted his publicity this year. DJ Uiagalelei may have salvaged his career by getting away from Clemson.

it’s difficult to remember who all was five star.
 
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adam.vol said:
The position that does well from team hopping seems to be quarterback. Bo Nix really boosted his publicity this year. DJ Uiagalelei may have salvaged his career by getting away from Clemson.

it’s difficult to remember who all was five star.
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Bo Nix and Jim Burrow stand out but they made only one jump and they were at their final destination more than 1 year. It seems like sticking around usually pays off. In case of Bo Nix, however, sticking around could be problematic since recruiting staff that brought him in where gone. You can't blame a player for leaving when the coaching staff is let go and system changes.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Actually sticking around usually has led to more success than players that hop from team to team. I can't think of an example of a team hopper that has gone onto a successful NFL career while there are tons of examples of players that waited on their turn that hit it big such as Tom Brady.

Matt Cassell had a decent NFL career and the guy was a backup his entire career at USC.
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I think Cassell had a longer NFL career than Leinart. That’s crazy to think about .
 
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fefe said:
I've never understood why 5* want to sit on the bench at Georgia, Alabama, etc
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This is why. Go to Alabama as a 5 star and you have a 50% of getting drafted in the first round where the big bag is
 

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fefe said:
I've never understood why 5* want to sit on the bench at Georgia, Alabama, etc
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Less wear and tear on their bodies. Are good enough to play 1, maybe 2 solid years, and then get drafted instead of having to play 3 in order to prove their good enough. Especially true for the RBs.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Bo Nix and Jim Burrow stand out but they made only one jump and they were at their final destination more than 1 year. It seems like sticking around usually pays off. In case of Bo Nix, however, sticking around could be problematic since recruiting staff that brought him in where gone. You can't blame a player for leaving when the coaching staff is let go and system changes.
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Hurts moved too. hasn't had a ton of success in the NFL but Baker Mayfield was originally at Texas Tech before spending multiple years at Oklahoma.

Its also a bad argument to make because the transfer portal is a recent thing. most players in the NFL didn't have a transfer portal to use, so of course only a small number of transfers have found success at the NFL level, to this point.

right now 3 of the top 5 projected QBs in the draft class are transfers.
 
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LouderVol said:
Hurts moved too. hasn't had a ton of success in the NFL but Baker Mayfield was originally at Texas Tech before spending multiple years at Oklahoma.

Its also a bad argument to make because the transfer portal is a recent thing. most players in the NFL didn't have a transfer portal to use, so of course only a small number of transfers have found success at the NFL level, to this point.

right now 3 of the top 5 projected QBs in the draft class are transfers.
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I was thinking about Hurts situation but again he stayed at Alabama and extra year than he should have.

I am talking about players that jump around frequently. It would be similar to going to a different school every year of highschool, you are just not going to keep the same pace Acaemically.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Less wear and tear on their bodies. Are good enough to play 1, maybe 2 solid years, and then get drafted instead of having to play 3 in order to prove their good enough. Especially true for the RBs.
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Nonsense. They still practice as often as the starters. You’re talking about standing on the sidelines for 10 minutes a game while someone else is blocking or tackling on the field. The other 50 minutes of game time is spotting the ball and calling the plays.
 
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Mtnvol80 said:
This is why. Go to Alabama as a 5 star and you have a 50% of getting drafted in the first round where the big bag is
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I think you’re misreading that chart. This doesn’t say there’s a 50% chance of getting drafted in the first round. That doesn’t even make sense. Still though, 50% chance of getting drafted and more than 10% chance of the first round is huge.
 
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vol_in_ga said:
Aww poor uga.

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Spoiled brats. I hope Kirby gets full of himself and curious about the nfl.
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Maybe his best years were with a 6 year walk-on QB and from now on they will be the same old 1 to 3 loss Georgia. If he sticks around long enough, UGA will be left depleted and dysfunctional as UT was when Fulmer lost his edge. I don’t think Kirby is where he is without his QB.

As Pate said - there is only one Saban. Guys like Sweeney, Smart, and Ryan Day are getting bailed out by the playoffs expansion. Even Urban Meyer started to lose ground to Saban. I don’t think anyone could finish undefeated two years in a row now that the SEC and Big 10 have expanded.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I think you’re misreading that chart. This doesn’t say there’s a 50% chance of getting drafted in the first round. That doesn’t even make sense. Still though, 50% chance of getting drafted and more than 10% chance of the first round is huge.
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Nope. 75% of them get drafted. 49% go in the first round. Only 18.3% of 5 stars get drafted in the first round for the rest of the schools
 
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