A horrible chapter in human history revisited.

[gsvol]

Japan's WWII 'Unit 731' experiments.

A WWII era photo below.

 

[orangeblooded2]

Yes. I can remember stories over the years.

Unit 731

Ever since I heard by father talk of going into Poland in the latter days of the war. Just in time to get to Auschwitz I, Auschwitz II-Birkenau, and a work camp called Auschwitz III-Monowitz, or the Buna. ( if I remember all were of the same complex). Any way I always cringe at the thought of torture and experimentation.

The Japanese certainly need to include this as part of their history. But from a strictly biased view of what they may find. I can certainly understand wanting to keep it under the rug so to speak.


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[gsvol]

Yes. I can remember stories over the years.

Unit 731

Ever since I heard by father talk of going into Poland in the latter days of the war. Just in time to get to Auschwitz I, Auschwitz II-Birkenau, and a work camp called Auschwitz III-Monowitz, or the Buna. ( if I remember all were of the same complex). Any way I always cringe at the thought of torture and experimentation.

The Japanese certainly need to include this as part of their history. But from a strictly biased view of what they may find. I can certainly understand wanting to keep it under the rug so to speak.


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Yep!!


Good link.

I think we got back about 98% of our known POWs from Germany but only about 40% from Japan.

Russia kept about 20,000 American POWs after the war and never repatriated them to us.

Any time someone tries to lay a guilt trip for the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki remember that Japanese POW camp commanders had standing orders to kill all american POWs as soon as we landed on mainland Japan.

The Albanians harvested organs from captured Serbians without anesthesia during the recent Balkan conflict, sometimes using multiple operations.

I know a lady whose husband was the commander of the camp for German POWs at Tulahoma, Tennessee.

She had some paintings done by a very talented German captain that were given to her husband.

No doubt some Americans captured in Korea were sent to Russia and subjected to various experiments of the same kind.

Probably the same happened to some Americans during and after the Vietnam conflict.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

For the Japanese, payback was a b***h.

 

[tvolsfan]

Any time someone tries to lay a guilt trip for the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

You shouldn't need to justify this. It may have decimated Japanese cities, but it saved American time, money, and most importantly, lives. Anyways, more Japanese people probably would have died in an actual war.

 

[gsvol]

You shouldn't need to justify this. It may have decimated Japanese cities, but it saved American time, money, and most importantly, lives. Anyways, more Japanese people probably would have died in an actual war.

My only problem is that Truman waited three days before dropping the bombs so that the Soviets could declare war on Japan which made a huge difference in political history.

Well there is one more problem, that being that Nagasaki had the highest per capita Christian population in Japan and some have said why Nagasaki was chosen.

 

[overseasorange2]

The Japanese were extremely cruel to the Chinese during the war. My wife's parents told her of stories where Japanese soldiers would bet whether a pregnant Chinese captive was caring a boy or girl. Then they would cut her open to see who won the bet. They deserved what they got at the war's end. Boom!

 

[tvolsfan]

My only problem is that Truman waited three days before dropping the bombs so that the Soviets could declare war on Japan which made a huge difference in political history.

Well there is one more problem, that being that Nagasaki had the highest per capita Christian population in Japan and some have said why Nagasaki was chosen.

Did America hate Christians at the time?

I don't know about the entire situation, but I do think the bombs were much better than actually trying to invade. People will always complain, but I would rather hundreds of thousands of Japanese people die than millions of Americans and Japanese people.

 

[BigPapaVol]

For the Japanese, payback was a b***h.

not really. Conventional warfare would have utterly destroyed the nation.

 

[gsvol]

Did America hate Christians at the time?

I don't know about the entire situation, but I do think the bombs were much better than actually trying to invade. People will always complain, but I would rather hundreds of thousands of Japanese people die than millions of Americans and Japanese people.

Perhaps there were those in the American goverment who were anti-Christian at the time, who knows?

No doubt there are those in government today who are anti-Christian, that should be understood by Christian, athiest and all others.

The bombs were better in the big picture than invasion, that's a no brainer. I do pity those at or near ground zero but that is beside the point.

 

[IPorange]

not really. Conventional warfare would have utterly destroyed the nation.

Agreed. As rough as two atomic bombs were, a prolonged land war over the whole of the Japanese home islands would have been even more devastating.

It was world war. Eggs were going to be broken to end it.

 

[tvolsfan]

Agreed. As rough as two atomic bombs were, a prolonged land war over the whole of the Japanese home islands would have been even more devastating.

It was world war. Eggs were going to be broken to end it.

Exactly. Better hundreds of thousands die than millions, on both sides.

 

[MWR]

I think this guy had been there, done that and understood how it is. But I don't think he actually posted that here at VN.

I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I think this guy had been there, done that and understood how it is. But I don't think he actually posted that here at VN.

I had a coach that made that quote, at least its final two sentences, daily.
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[Pepe_Silvia]

not really. Conventional warfare would have utterly destroyed the nation.

True. Had Truman chosen invasion over the atomic bomb, Japan might still be recovering from the destruction. Fortunately, Truman chose the atomic bomb to save American lives, which was the right choice.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Sherman never said, "War is hell." It is catchy, though.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Sherman never said, "War is hell." It is catchy, though.

Doesn't matter. The point was made in the beauty of the preceding sentences.

Sherman and Grant embodied that quote, and it won them the war.
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[Pepe_Silvia]

I'm not so sure Sherman's "March to the Sea" or his burning of Jackson, MS, had all that large of an impact on the outcome of the war, but I certainly agree that total war is the best way to wage a war.

 

[MWR]

If I remember history class from back in 1975, Sherman actually said, "War, is all hell."