A list of facts about the benefits in the health care bill

#5
#5
what? you don't see this as a benefit, droski?

Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange.
 
#6
#6
what's the most random item we could tax and get away with it?
 
#8
#8
looks like David Alexander and Eric Beech need to brush up on their editing skills.

A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.
(Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by David Alexander and Eric Beech)

not to mention, the above benefit could result in the loss of my job. sweet! what a great reward for me!!!
 
#9
#9
*Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.

*An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.

*The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.

*A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices.

*Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.

*Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.

*Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.

*An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions.

The above points are garbage IMO and have reaching economical effects outside of healthcare. And I'm not so sure the bolded is constitutional.
 
#11
#11
Notice what's not stated?

Virtually nothing addressing the costs of healthcare. (Adding 31 million absolutely has to increase utilization of HC - costs will rise)

Virtually nothing about the 16 million people that will be added to Medicaid and how the states will pay for this new growth. (Another unfunded mandate from the Fed to the states)

Nothing addressing tort reform (see #1 above; lowering costs)

Mandated minimum levels of insurance that will raise utilization and take options away.

No mention of the reduction in HSA programs. This along with reductions/elimination of Medicare advantage represent benefit reductions.

In short, some of the insurance reform is needed as is expansion of coverage but the method has a serious slew of unintended consequences.
 
#12
#12
Hey, at least there is nothing about death panels and government subsidized abortions.
 
#13
#13
the state issue is pretty scary. most states are near bancruptcy already and now the feds will require the states to pick up a decent % of the tab?
 
#14
#14
Notice what's not stated?

Virtually nothing addressing the costs of healthcare. (Adding 31 million absolutely has to increase utilization of HC - costs will rise)
Why would Dems actually address this??? Who cares about the cost, as long as we do the right thing by giving everyone government healthcare, then it is a win for all. (Please turn your sarcasm detectors on)
 
#16
#16
im curious on how the federal government is getting around the 10th ammendment on this one
 
#18
#18
heard that there are at least 10 state's attorney generals that are planning to sue the government on the individual mandate as it is unconstitutional.
 
#19
#19
thats what i was thinking, and if i am not mistaken, a constitutional convention will also get this easily thrown out
 
#21
#21
im curious on how the federal government is getting around the 10th ammendment on this one

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#25
#25
amnesty and full coverage for illegals was promised to the Hispanic caucus

i 100% guarantee you that in california they will just ignore any requirement for ID. why do i know this? because the police here already can't ask for ID from illegals or ask if they are citizens. nor can the schools or hospitals.
 

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