A Modest Proposal

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As a small business owner who has watched health insurance premiums for my employees jump approximately 180 % in the last 7 years, and who has therefore this year for the first time had to ask the employees to contribute to a portion of the most recent increases, I've been watching the health care debate with a somewhat different perspective than a lot of you.

To me, cost containment , if not outright reduction, is issue number one. Broadening the universe of people covered is a fine idea, but not if it increases costs.

As I understand the current bill, there is no effective public option, meaning that the insurers have no incentive to dramatically increase efficiencies or reduce profit. Economies of scale are such that, in most states, there is very little competition among health insurers.

But, the bill proposes to do away with preexisting coverage denial. As I say, I support that in principle (I think we all would like to see people stop having to worry about that, in a perfect world). But when that happens, it just means more $ will be required to be spent to pay for the new policy holders and that means higher premium costs for every business like mine. Again.

We all know the politics of this. Let's not fool ourselves about why this is the current version of the bill. It doesn't matter why -- but it is the way it is.

Proposal:

I can't speak to your states, but in Florida, there are a couple of insurance and other industries whose rates are regulated such that they are guaranteed a profit, but have some oversight to protect the public interest. Most notably, the power companies and the property insurers every year must go to a public service commission and justify current rates. If they seek higher rates due to expenses or losses, they have to support those and there is susually some given and take.

They never go out of business. They do well.

How about we do this with health insurers? The benefit to them is they do not have to look over their shoulder and wonder when the reform that drives them out of business is coming. They simply cannot lose.

On the other hand, you see evenness of rates and the consuming public ends up choosing between providers based on combinations of locale and strength of service.

It seems everyone agrees that the history of the last two decades as to expense of health insurance is a grave crisis for the economy. Something has to be done to cut the costs. There is no alternative.
 
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As a small business owner who has watched health insurance premiums for my employees jump approximately 180 % in the last 7 years, and who has therefore this year for the first time had to ask the employees to contribute to a portion of the most recent increases, I've been watching the health care debate with a somewhat different perspective than a lot of you.

To me, cost containment , if not outright reduction, is issue number one. Broadening the universe of people covered is a fine idea, but not if it increases costs.

As I understand the current bill, there is no effective public option, meaning that the insurers have no incentive to dramatically increase efficiencies or reduce profit. Economies of scale are such that, in most states, there is very little competition among health insurers.

But, the bill proposes to do away with preexisting coverage denial. As I say, I support that in principle (I think we all would like to see people stop having to worry about that, in a perfect world). But when that happens, it just means more $ will be required to be spent to pay for the new policy holders and that means higher premium costs for every business like mine. Again.

We all know the politics of this. Let's not fool ourselves about why this is the current version of the bill. It doesn't matter why -- but it is the way it is.

Proposal:

I can't speak to your states, but in Florida, there are a couple of insurance and other industries whose rates are regulated such that they are guaranteed a profit, but have some oversight to protect the public interest. Most notably, the power companies and the property insurers every year must go to a public service commission and justify current rates. If they seek higher rates due to expenses or losses, they have to support those and there is susually some given and take.

They never go out of business. They do well.

How about we do this with health insurers? The benefit to them is they do not have to look over their shoulder and wonder when the reform that drives them out of business is coming. They simply cannot lose.

On the other hand, you see evenness of rates and the consuming public ends up choosing between providers based on combinations of locale and strength of service.

It seems everyone agrees that the history of the last two decades as to expense of health insurance is a grave crisis for the economy. Something has to be done to cut the costs. There is no alternative.

So should I be able to drop my auto ins. coverage and wait until I get in an accident then call and get coverage? Why should I have to pay someone's ins. because they waited until they had an issue to get covered?

There are many answers to fix health insurance, any govt involvement is not the answer.
 
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So should I be able to drop my auto ins. coverage and wait until I get in an accident then call and get coverage? Why should I have to pay someone's ins. because they waited until they had an issue to get covered?

There are many answers to fix health insurance, any govt involvement is not the answer.

I know what Obama is doing is wrong but I am sure a republican will sponsor one of these many answers to the problem. I just haven't heard any of the answers yet, what are they?
 
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So should I be able to drop my auto ins. coverage and wait until I get in an accident then call and get coverage? Why should I have to pay someone's ins. because they waited until they had an issue to get covered?

You are aware, that there are people who have tried to get medical insurance long before any complications from their pre-existing conditions arose?
 
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You are aware, that there are people who have tried to get medical insurance long before any complications from their pre-existing conditions arose?

So people without any medical conditions tried to get medical ins and were denied?
 
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I know what Obama is doing is wrong but I am sure a republican will sponsor one of these many answers to the problem. I just haven't heard any of the answers yet, what are they?

1. Tort reform.
2. Tax deductible HSA
3. Only use health ins. in catastrophic cases.
4. Put $5000 deductibles on health insurance policies, which you then use your HSA to pay the deductible.
5. Pay out of pocket for randon office visits and procedures.
6. Open up competition, let insurance companies sell there services in different states.
 
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So people without any medical conditions tried to get medical ins and were denied?

In some rare cases, yes, but that's not what I was talking about.

A pre-existing condition is usually a chronic illness or disease. And it's not usually something that pops up overnight. It usually takes many years to form, and usually isn't noticed until it's latter stages.
 
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In some rare cases, yes, but that's not what I was talking about.

A pre-existing condition is usually a chronic illness or disease. And it's not usually something that pops up overnight. It usually takes many years to form, and usually isn't noticed until it's latter stages.

If that person had insurance their whole life than it would not matter, they would be covered. It's obsurd for one to not get their own coverage and then they get sick and now they want to go get health insurance. Like I said it's like me dropping my auto ins. have a wreck next week and then call an auto ins. company and say I need coverage. People need to have some personal responsibility.
 
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reduce state mandated coverage to minimums and allow cross-state competition.

tort reform

expansion of HSAs.

move towards a true "insurance" model and move standard HC costs to out of pocket or allow employers to offer "out of pocket" supplement plans if they like.

At a minimum - separate catastrophic coverage from day-to-day coverage. Make them separate policies with very limited mandates for the former.


In effect, the current HC bill will "utilitize" the insurance industry.
 
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In some rare cases, yes, but that's not what I was talking about.

A pre-existing condition is usually a chronic illness or disease. And it's not usually something that pops up overnight. It usually takes many years to form, and usually isn't noticed until it's latter stages.

Right. That is my issue with the pre-existing condition. It isn't always "just wait until I get sick and go get insurance". It's also stuff people develop over time, or even don't know about, and then get coverage dropped because it is termed "pre-existing".
 
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If that person had insurance their whole life than it would not matter, they would be covered. It's obsurd for one to not get their own coverage and then they get sick and now they want to go get health insurance. Like I said it's like me dropping my auto ins. have a wreck next week and then call an auto ins. company and say I need coverage. People need to have some personal responsibility.

Says who?
 
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reduce state mandated coverage to minimums and allow cross-state competition.

tort reform

expansion of HSAs.

move towards a true "insurance" model and move standard HC costs to out of pocket or allow employers to offer "out of pocket" supplement plans if they like.

At a minimum - separate catastrophic coverage from day-to-day coverage. Make them separate policies with very limited mandates for the former.


In effect, the current HC bill will "utilitize" the insurance industry.


Those two sound like very good ideas.
 
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1. Tort reform.
2. Tax deductible HSA
3. Only use health ins. in catastrophic cases.
4. Put $5000 deductibles on health insurance policies, which you then use your HSA to pay the deductible.
5. Pay out of pocket for randon office visits and procedures.
6. Open up competition, let insurance companies sell there services in different states.

2-5 is already available so unless it is mandated that people must have an HSA account than I don't see how anything is going to change there. Seeing you want less government than I couldn't see you supporting any mandate on HSA accounts.

1. Tort reform is OK so long as the judgment is fair and reasonable. I don't think people should be getting judgments for 50 million dollars but it shouldn't be cut down to something ridiculous either. If it is proved that a doctor was negligent for example and you ended up in a wheel chair as a result for the rest of your life than $100,000 in damages isn't right either.

#6 is a good idea and I would add tax credits to drug companies for R&D and less restrictions from the FDA to lower drug costs.
 
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Says who?

I don't believe there is a huge problem of people having insurance then getting sick and then their coverage is dropped. It may happen but I am sure this is very rare. My guess is the bigger problem is people not wanting to pay for insurance then getting sick and then trying to go out and get covered.
 
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I know what Obama is doing is wrong but I am sure a republican will sponsor one of these many answers to the problem. I just haven't heard any of the answers yet, what are they?

You have not heard them because the current administration and the media do not want you to hear them.
 
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Some interesting ideas being mentioned here. Mandated coverage benefits is a tough question. No one supports them for everyone else, but can always seem to find a way to justify the one or two that might apply to them.

Not sure that this cross-state lines issue is that huge for carriers. The BC/BS companies of the world don't seem to have a problem with getting into a market.
 
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2-5 is already available so unless it is mandated that people must have an HSA account than I don't see how anything is going to change there. Seeing you want less government than I couldn't see you supporting any mandate on HSA accounts.

1. Tort reform is OK so long as the judgment is fair and reasonable. I don't think people should be getting judgments for 50 million dollars but it shouldn't be cut down to something ridiculous either. If it is proved that a doctor was negligent for example and you ended up in a wheel chair as a result for the rest of your life than $100,000 in damages isn't right either.

#6 is a good idea and I would add tax credits to drug companies for R&D and less restrictions from the FDA to lower drug costs.

It does not have to be mandated by the govt.

And one other thing, do away with company provided insurance.
 
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I don't believe there is a huge problem of people having insurance then getting sick and then their coverage is dropped. It may happen but I am sure this is very rare. My guess is the bigger problem is people not wanting to pay for insurance then getting sick and then trying to go out and get covered.

I think it is a bigger problem than you think. Besides, all I am talking about is some legal protection.
 

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