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MemphisVol

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Everybody send an email to the AD's office that goes something like:


To: Coach Fulmer c/o Mike Hamilton


Dear Phil,

Bet you're glad Dickie retired right about now, huh?

Imagine how you'd feel with a knife in your back, too.


Yours in karma,
Johnny Majors
 
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I expect better from a vet on this board like you MemphisVol. Looking for the fairweather?

If Johnny had won as much as Fulmer has, I'd say you have a point... maybe even if it had only been a couple of years ago.

Fulmer took this program to the next level. Winning is like crack for you guys and when you don't get your fix you go crazy.
 
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you didn't catch one of the other posts. majors record his last four years is almost the same as phil's the last four years. somebody needs to sharpen the knife.
 
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Originally posted by smokedog#3@Oct 30, 2005 1:41 AM
you didn't catch one of the other posts.  majors record his last four years is almost the same as phil's the last four years.  somebody needs to sharpen the knife.
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Majors actually has a better record then Phil does for the last 3.5 years............

Of course I'm not sure Chavis is campaining for Phil's job
 
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Majors would have had SC repunt the ball from the endzone when SC had a penalty after punting from the endzone and had a 38 yard punt which was higher than the punters's average. This was an assinine failure by an incompetent CPF.
 
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Majors also wouldn't have gone to the AD behind the back of someone who not only considered him a personal friend but was in the middle of a health crisis and declared, 'Either fire Majors and name me HC, or I'm going elsewhere.'

Again, Fulmer is great at recruiting and physical training. He neither creates leaders or seems to know that's important. Plus, worse he doesn't take responsibility for the mental failings.

And, again-squared, rwemyss, I've been saying the same thing for years now. So have others. That's pretty much the opposite of being a fair-weather fan.

Basically, it's a nice sounding insult on the surface, but if you use it in a way which contradicts the meaning, it comes off desperate to hold a position that you yourself secretly think is weak (or you'd use a better defense).

We're partying like 1999 in Vol Land. Lots of talent, but no mental leadership from the sidelines on O.

So much so, that tonight even the D finally started to lose heart.
 
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You guys can never take the point that if Phil is the PROBLEM, then how in the world did he win from '92-98 so much???

My point being, MemphisVol, is that all the people that have showed up to call for Fulmer's head now, didn't seem to have a problem with him until he showed that we could win a National Title... then they decided that we should win one every year! Also, the guys that talk about SEC champs... the only team to repeat "since '98" (since that seems to be the benchmark for the fire fulmer guys) is LSU!!! 7 years, 6 different champions! Would I have liked the Vols to have been one of those? OF COURSE, but half the conference is in that same boat. And don't give me some crap about the "lower" half of the conference... we've had 7 teams sitting in the top 25 at one time during these 7 years.
 
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Actually, once again (I'm just going to retitle this post "Actually, once again"), I've been saying the same thing since '92- including '98.

In '98 we had onfield leaders. In '99, we had mostly the same kids but they were thinking "NFL". That happens alot everywhere, and it's something coaches take care of. What happened in '99?

Fulmer recruits and physically develops great talent. Thus, you're going to win more than not even when you consistently underperform year after year.

Fulmer consistently fails to mentally prepare teams. That's why they consistently underperform year after year UNLESS THEY HAVE NATURAL LEADERS ON THE FIELD.

This is something loads of us have been pointing out for a long, long time. NOT JUST LATELY.

Please don't make me repeat myself again.

The measure isn't whether Fulmer has attracted talent- that's something I've always given him credit for. The measure is what has been done with it, and how, as a result of how obviously his teams are underperforming, now he is having trouble recruiting across all positions like he used to. That's something I've always criticized him for and predicted would get worse.

That, and for having the loyalty of a horny hedge-hog.




 
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You are correct about UT needing players to be leaders.... too bad we cannot pay Al Wilson 2 million bucks to lead this bunch!

 
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Saying that, I'm interested to hear what you'd be saying if you were an Oklahoma fan? They still have much of the team they had last year. Is Stoops a bad coach and should be fired because this year's team has underperformed, even with a preseason Heisman candidate? I guess that guy should be fired too.

I'm hoping you'll "repeat yourself" as it seems to be pissing you off so bad, hoping that saying the same thing over and over everytime I have something to debunk it will make it true. Face it, Fulmer isn't the problem.
 
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Now..... theres the start of an idea....


Bring in Wilson, Little, Heynsworth, Manning, Martin, Wilson, Price, Stallworth and Pat Summit, and lock them all in a room somewhere in East Germany for the next 6 days.... Survivors get to play Notre Dame.
 
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By "them all", of course, I mean coaches too.

The coaches get their own room- with Summitt and Wilson
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 3:56 AM
Saying that, I'm interested to hear what you'd be saying if you were an Oklahoma fan?  They still have much of the team they had last year.  Is Stoops a bad coach and should be fired because this year's team has underperformed, even with a preseason Heisman candidate?  I guess that guy should be fired too.

I'm hoping you'll "repeat yourself" as it seems to be pissing you off so bad, hoping that saying the same thing over and over everytime I have something to debunk it will make it true.  Face it, Fulmer isn't the problem.
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Stoops is starting the 3rd most freshman of any team in the country. Everyone who follows them knows that and they far and away have nothing but good comments to say about him.

I could easily handle this year, if we were rebuilding and building up a nucleus of talent for the next several years. But we arent, we have a team full of seniors that were some of the best in the country out of high school. We cant expect to be better the next couple of years. The realistic expection is that we will be worse.
 
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Haynesworth...

If coach Fulmer survives this season (I don't see how he won't) I think you'll have to wait 4 more years to call for his firing, because Crompton has those leadership skills you speak of... at least all the evidence points to it.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 30, 2005 4:02 AM
Stoops is starting the 3rd most freshman of any team in the country.  Everyone who follows them knows that and they far and away have nothing but good comments to say about him.

I could easily handle this year, if we were rebuilding and building up a nucleus of talent for the next several years. But we arent, we have a team full of seniors that were some of the best in the country out of high school. We cant expect to be better the next couple of years. The realistic expection is that we will be worse.
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Oklavol... did you SEE that list of freshmen we have been playing, or do those guys not count for some reason?
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 2:56 AM
Saying that, I'm interested to hear what you'd be saying if you were an Oklahoma fan?  They still have much of the team they had last year.  Is Stoops a bad coach and should be fired because this year's team has underperformed, even with a preseason Heisman candidate?  I guess that guy should be fired too.

I'm hoping you'll "repeat yourself" as it seems to be pissing you off so bad, hoping that saying the same thing over and over everytime I have something to debunk it will make it true.  Face it, Fulmer isn't the problem.
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THat's just it, you've said nothing to debunk my points, you just keep ignoring them.


And now you're pretending Fulmer's problems and our comments on them are something new when they clearly aren't. Ignoring things isn't an argument. It's ignoring what you don't like.

And, yes, Stoops inherited a great deal, and has steadily failed to maintain the core much less build upon it. His recruiting and development has sucked, thus the ever-increasing drop over the last 2 years. Of course, his predecessor also stuck him with an old team, too, so maybe it's just a temporary glitch in his recruiting plan.

So, just like we've been saying for years that Fulmer clearly has a big hole in his coaching team when it comes to mental preperation and either needs to fill it or go, Stoops has a big hole in his coaching team when it comes to recruiting & devolopment (the exact opposite of Fulmer) recently and either needs to take care of it or, if it keeps up, go.


Fulmer- Been saying it for years, because we've been seeing it for years, and you haven't been around while we've been here saying it, so it's pretty fatuous to make "fairweather" claims.
 
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For some reason I find it hard to believe that you were saying Fulmer needs to go during the magical '98 season.

I also believe that Leadership is a talent, not a teachable skill. If you want to hang Fulmer for having not recruited a guy that had that talent over the past few years, fine. CC wasn't too bad, and it looked like EA had it, but I have heard otherwise.

And finally, since you pretty much just said that Stoops needs to be fired, I'm going to drop this and go to bed as that is completely irrational to me.

Oh, and I had no way of knowing whether you have been calling for Fulmer's head for years or not... now that you tell me so I will withdraw the fairweather claim for something too disrespectful to say. Draw your conclusion from the fact that you were saying in '98 that Fulmer should be fired... the year he brought home a NC to Knoxville.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 4:07 AM
Oklavol... did you SEE that list of freshmen we have been playing, or do those guys not count for some reason?
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none of those guys are starting unless the first team player is injured.

Stoops is starting freshman and playing them the full game.
 
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Hey All

First time poster here, I just have to vent some fustrations.
It all started in 1999 just after the championship season, Tee Martins 2nd season a big drop off from the previous season. Then came Casey who I thought was a good quarterback, but he took all the heat for the OC lack of coaching for 4 years. Now we have a good quaterback in Ainge but no coaching for him, eventually we are not going to be able to recruit a QB then we want get recievers. We have had the talent to hide the lack of coaching. It has all been make believe since Cutcliff left it has all been hidden by great talent.
Now on defence my only concern here is we let Blake Mitchell find recievers in our secoundary, i think our secoundary coaches are lacking also.
And last but not least our special teams have been missing since Majors was let go, he learned so much from Cafego.
I think Fulmer stays but several assistants have to go.

Thanks for letting me vent.
BC VOL
 
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How can someone still be stuck in the past? The '98 season was seven long years ago. The Vols haven't done much since then and changes need to be made. I don't think CPF needs to go but he needs to make decisions quickly.

 
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Originally posted by MemphisVol@Oct 30, 2005 2:51 AM
Actually, once again (I'm just going to retitle this post "Actually, once again"), I've been saying the same thing since '92- including '98.

In '98 we had onfield leaders.  In '99, we had mostly the same kids but they were thinking "NFL".  That happens alot everywhere, and it's something coaches take care of.  What happened in '99?

Fulmer recruits and physically develops great talent.  Thus, you're going to win more than not even when you consistently underperform year after year.

Fulmer consistently fails to mentally prepare teams.  That's why they consistently underperform year after year UNLESS THEY HAVE NATURAL LEADERS ON THE FIELD.

This is something loads of us have been pointing out for a long, long time.  NOT JUST LATELY.

Please don't make me repeat myself again. 

The measure isn't whether Fulmer has attracted talent- that's something I've always given him credit for.  The measure is what has been done with it, and how, as a result of how obviously his teams are underperforming, now he is having trouble recruiting across all positions like he used to.  That's something I've always criticized him for and predicted would get worse.

That, and for having the loyalty of a horny hedge-hog.
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I have to agree with you Memphis Vol. CPF does recruit very well. It is what happens to them after they get to UT is my concern as well. Without a doubt, the starting players this year had the preseason hype to do very well and even possibly win the national championship (as evident by preseason polls and magazine articles). Heck, CPF was even talking about the good chance of winning it all. As a former coach and player, I was always hesitant about talking the "smack" about how good we were and what we were going to do. It's always a good idea to talk among the players but the bottom line is "action speaks louder than mere words" I always told my players if you talk that kind of smack, you better be able to back it up on the field or you are going to look like a bunch of idiots. My take on UT since the national championship is that CPF has loosened the reins on the players and perhaps the entire program. I see a team that lacks discipline, mental preparedness, leadership, and direction. I have a feeling that UT has become a "farm team" or "stepping-stone" for the NFL. One of our recruiting tools has been "look how many UT players go to the NFL". I believe it is a good tool to capture recruit's interest in the UT program but perhaps this has become a "two-edged" sword that has recruited "individual players" instead of "team-players".
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 30, 2005 3:38 AM
You guys can never take the point that if Phil is the PROBLEM, then how in the world did he win from '92-98 so much???
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1. Better Assistant coaches
(We had a thing then called player development, we do not have that anymore)

2. Better schemes

3. Better players (Does Peyton Manning ring a bell?)

4. Less complacency (no security of a big @$$ contract and a national championships)

5. SEC was weaker (except FL, the entire conference wasn't as strong as they are now)

6. Different attitude (Remember the open offense? Throw on the first play of the Hall of Fame Bowl, TD on play #1 against Bama. We do NOT have that anymore)

Stop trying to tell me and other Vol fans what we think. It is incredibly annoying :realmad: And before you challenge my credentials or knowledge like you have some of the others. I worked in the athletic department for 5 years in development, marketing, and game operations as well as with the basketball, baseball, and FOOTBALL programs.

Vol Insider :ninja:
 
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